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1983 240D ATF WTF?
I've looked this up but most posts are from long ago and don't have the modern ATF that you can find in most stores.
What recent ATF have people had success with? |
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I just use regular Valvoline Dex III. in my '84 300D.
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Dex/Merc is the current ATF for transmissions that used Dex III. Use that. Valvoline is a fine choice, though not the only one.
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Dex III is the right stuff. Most big box stores (wally world, etc) as well as most parts houses have it. Make sure the clerk understands Dex 3, not Dex 4. Dexron III is also marketed as Mercon III.
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I just use standard Dexron/Mercon "Dex/Merc" (which is DexIII) in all my older Benz transmissions.
Most bottles don't call it Dex3 anymore because the new GM standard is fully synthetic dex6.
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I've been using Mobil 1 for more years and miles than I care to remember. It may be a bit of overkill for these cars but I've never had a problem. I change fluid every three years as well.
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OK what about this stuff?
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Valvoline-MaxLife-Dexron-Mercon-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid-1-Gallon/15125768 |
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Might want to actually read on the side of the bottle..... to see if Dex lll is listed...
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Quote:
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OK one list thing. Let's assume I empty out all of the ATF even from the Torque Converter. What is the refill and check procedure on this? Check it while running, hot, and in park and should be between marks?
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Yes, running, hot and inbetween the marks. Be extremely clean when working on the transmission, the slightest impurity can cause issues and clog a valve body. Wipe the dipstick with your fingers, not with a rag. To refill, buy a transmission funnel. They are only a couple of dollars, and come with a fine mesh filter, a tube and usually a stop on it, so you can fill (and measure) with the funnel. Fill through the dipstick tube.
On my 84 300D the tranny takes a hair over 6.5 quarts to fill it all the way up with tranny fully drained and dropping the pan to change the filter.
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A lot of fluid can be clinging to the insides... so creep up slowly on that full mark carefully... a lot easier than having to pull some out.....and overfilling can cause foaming... bad on several levels....
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Also FYI if you try to dump 6.5 quarts in right away, it'll puke out of the vent and onto the ground. Fill in like 4 quarts, start it up for a few seconds, then fill in the rest.
FYI #2 the trans does not heat up at the same time as the engine. Just because your temp gauge says 90C doesn't mean the trans is that hot. You need to take it on a highway drive for about 30 minutes to get it properly heated up. At that point, on level ground in park engine idling the fluid should be between the marks on the dipstick. Like Leathermang said if you overfill it, it will foam up and destroy the transmission. If you can't heat it up all the way properly, you can measure the point below the hot marks on the dipstick, and check it dead cold. The measurement below the hit marks is in the FSM.
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I filled my tranny with 6.5 quarts after a complete drain, and it never puked anything out. Hold it in every gear for a minute so it can build up pressure everywhere, and I don't think you'll have a problem.
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Best bet, as often preached by whunter, is to drain ATF and measure what you removed. Then refill with that exact amount.
It's important to note that when filling after a change, when everything is cool, the "Fill" mark on the dipstick is not accurate. The transmission can be full as much as 30mm below the "low" mark. Filling it up to the fill mark would lead to a very overfull transmission, in such a situation. Generally speaking, when in doubt err on the side of being a bit low on fluid. This is more forgiving than being too full of fluid.
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