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Old 10-10-2015, 07:00 AM
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Sorry you had this trouble especially on the road.

First rule in my book is if you are having a problem that makes the battery die have it checked to be sure its charging before installing a new battery.

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Old 10-10-2015, 09:23 AM
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if you had known to call me, I was maybe 10 miles away... and have bosch regulators in my truck... and at LEAST, I have jumper cables...

next time... ANYBODY in the charlotte area in trouble... reach out to me!
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Old 10-10-2015, 09:31 AM
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Well, OIlslick, there is a good example where listing your location as ' here and there' instead of an actual location missed being helpful when you needed it most...
Same goes for unexpected parts cars and things people might run across and give one a heads up on ....
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Old 10-10-2015, 09:37 AM
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Too Late for you this time...
but for other people.....
one of the nicest backups of our Diesels... is that once running ....they are strictly mechanical... do not turn them off unless you really really have to until you get to a ' safe place' to deal with them....
People have driven across complete STATES without the electrical system working... when that involved overnight distances... .they left the car idling over night...or parked it on a hill to roll start it from.....
I did that with my SD. 110 miles with no speedometer power windows or sunroof. Left it run overnight visiting mom.
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Old 10-10-2015, 11:08 AM
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I did that with my SD. 110 miles with no speedometer power windows or sunroof. Left it run overnight visiting mom.
It is one of those things which warms my heart.... since I hate electricity due to it being invisible.... the idea that once running we are strictly mechanical is like having a built in survivalist in the glove compartment.... a genie who can get you home to your own tools.... or the local trusted mechanic... or just to a warm bed until you are forced to deal with whatever else needs to be done ... SCORE !!!!
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Old 10-10-2015, 08:43 PM
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It is one of those things which warms my heart.... since I hate electricity due to it being invisible.... the idea that once running we are strictly mechanical is like having a built in survivalist in the glove compartment.... a genie who can get you home to your own tools.... or the local trusted mechanic... or just to a warm bed until you are forced to deal with whatever else needs to be done ... SCORE !!!!

+1, have done the survivalist thing a few times.

But what about the newer, electronically controlled diesels?

Are they immune too?

I think not, but would like confirmation.

Thanks

BTW I have a spare Hella voltage regulator for my OM601 and I am told Hella is also OEM.
True? False?
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Old 10-10-2015, 08:49 PM
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If they managed to take away that design ' perk'.. that would really be sad....
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Old 10-10-2015, 09:29 PM
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But what about the newer, electronically controlled diesels?

Are they immune too?

I think not, but would like confirmation.
....
I think not as well; if memory serves my 2007 R320CDI V6 had at least one electric fuel pump, and three batteries
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Old 10-10-2015, 10:03 PM
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When Uberwasser, Iridium, and I took our cars up to Phoenix to go junk yard hopping together, Iridium's car had the voltage regulator fail stranding him at one of the yards we stopped at. It was running fine, he shut it down, then he had no life signs. We took the battery out and brought it to Autozone to be charged and tested. It was fine, so he put it back in his car, started it up, and we headed back for Tucson.

His regulator must have failed on the trip up, and the power draw from his radio, blower motor, and other electric gadgets drained the battery on the way up. Once he shut it off, we were stuck. After charging, it was good to go until he shut it off again. We left before sundown and traveled in convoy formation so he wouldn't be without lights if he needed them.
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My 00 Dodge Ram with Cummins will crap out when the battery dies. The injection pump runs off the computer. Computer needs tricity. 12 Valve is akin to our 617 = all mechanical, reliable and beautiful.
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Old 10-11-2015, 11:00 PM
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Well, OIlslick, there is a good example where listing your location as ' here and there' instead of an actual location missed being helpful when you needed it most...
Same goes for unexpected parts cars and things people might run across and give one a heads up on ....
I know vstech lives in the area but I had someone else on the way to give me a boost. I have parts cars and a stash of parts. I always carry a set of jumper cables. I've even been known to carry an extra alternator at times. This was not one if those times. I was just asking for some pointers on what to look for as the culprit since the battery light never came on and I was experiencing symptoms I'd never experienced before with a failing alternator. I try to not be a bother...except on here. LOL!
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Old 10-11-2015, 11:04 PM
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if you had known to call me, I was maybe 10 miles away... and have bosch regulators in my truck... and at LEAST, I have jumper cables...

next time... ANYBODY in the charlotte area in trouble... reach out to me!
I already had someone on the way within minutes of the episode but I'll keep this in mind. It's good info to have.
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Old 10-12-2015, 07:00 AM
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+1, have done the survivalist thing a few times.

But what about the newer, electronically controlled diesels?

Are they immune too?

I think not, but would like confirmation.

Thanks

BTW I have a spare Hella voltage regulator for my OM601 and I am told Hella is also OEM.
True? False?
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Old 10-12-2015, 03:46 PM
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You can also pull-start the car if you can get it to ~35mph, check your manual.
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Old 10-12-2015, 11:12 PM
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99 % of all LUCAS failures can be directly traced to ZERO quality control when the part was made way back when .

I even still run a 19 Ampere generator on this rig , no hassles , just new brushes every 50,000 +/- miles .

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