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Old 10-17-2015, 09:56 PM
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Wax off not happening...

So, used Klasse first to seal the paint. Then P21 wax. However, the wax was dry and chunky despite hand mixing/warming, so tossed a few dribbles of Klasse in, since read can mix. Really helped and took less effort to warm and keep warm. By the way, I apply wax totally by hand, with bare hands. Find my hands don't burn through paint, can feel what is going on, less mess, adjust the temperature, and put on an even layer. No really expensive tools requiring electricity. Used no more than a half a can to do first full wax on the TD (stripped since the oel leak stained the paint, been too long, and concerned the clay had stained the paint since three washes hadn't gotten her clean). Seemed like the paint was taking some of it?

Anyway, gave about a half hour to harden. Most of the wax is not shining up, especially the warm hood (short drive few hours earlier so thought clear). Is it possible put on too much wax? Or, messed up by not curing the Klasse and cutting the P21 with Klasse?

Now what?

Thank y'all in advance!

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Old 10-18-2015, 12:21 AM
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Wash it with Dawn dish soap and start over.
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Old 10-18-2015, 12:54 AM
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Wash it with Dawn dish soap and start over.
Thank you so very much!

So a regular wash will not help? Hate wasting money...
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Old 10-18-2015, 03:34 PM
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Talking sensei say

wax on, right hand

wax off, left hand

wax on, wax off

breathe in through nose, out through mouth

wax on, wax off

don't forget to breathe...very important
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Old 10-18-2015, 03:58 PM
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Some waxes should not be allowed to ' harden' depending on the temperature ... and do not apply in sunlight...
if allowed to ' harden'... may require a good electric buffer to take it off... which can be dangerous on an old car with thin paint...
Sometimes working in small areas is the only way to do it reasonably...two feet by two feet depending on your arm strength....and endurance...
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Old 10-18-2015, 05:57 PM
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Thank y'all for the replies!

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wax on, right hand

wax off, left hand

wax on, wax off

breathe in through nose, out through mouth

wax on, wax off

don't forget to breathe...very important
Glad someone got it!

Forgot that two handed...

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Some waxes should not be allowed to ' harden' depending on the temperature ... and do not apply in sunlight...
if allowed to ' harden'... may require a good electric buffer to take it off... which can be dangerous on an old car with thin paint...
Sometimes working in small areas is the only way to do it reasonably...two feet by two feet depending on your arm strength....and endurance...
Yes, learned long ago any sunlight makes waxing a pain, but all the parking was street and no shade. So thankful to have an enclosed garage now.

Know about burning through clear coat/paint, but thankfully never caught (young, knew a truck be difficult, but insisted that had to borrow it while my sedan (a lemon) was in the shop).

I spent at least a couple hours waxing the wagen, so think I have the endurance.

Odd thing this morning. Went out, and most of the untouched wax is clear (just a few places where extra heavy by the wheel wells) and the touched wwax is very clear. So, just going to leave it, wash when time, and see then what is what. Now that having cold weather, should be able to keep up on the bathing schedule.

Oh, and the deep clear reflections are a bit distracting now and then, mostly because so amazing and beautiful.
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Old 10-18-2015, 06:31 PM
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I love the Klasse twins (AIO and SG) and have used P21S as a topper many times.

A cap full of SG or AIO will do a car. It goes on very, very, very thin. It has to completely dry before removing. Too much and it can be a real bear to remove.

P21S can almost be immediately polished off, literally within seconds of application.

Klasse will not go over P21S

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another guide, use very little if you see it on the paint you used too much
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I love the Klasse twins (AIO and SG) and have used P21S as a topper many times.

A cap full of SG or AIO will do a car. It goes on very, very, very thin. It has to completely dry before removing. Too much and it can be a real bear to remove.

P21S can almost be immediately polished off, literally within seconds of application.

Klasse will not go over P21S

Guide another guide, use very little if you see it on the paint you used too much
Thank you so very much for the reply!

Used SG. How well does AIO work on heavily oxidized paint? Considering how much luster came out from this paint, think the much worse could be made to look acceptable.

How do you measure out? I end up using a lot since use a cloth and have a wagen. To me, felt as if the paint was taking some of it, as put it on and no difference in feel and no shine difference, dull/hazy or shinny.

So no need to let the P21 sit? Well, guess the difference between store (comes in an orange can) and quality wax. Maybe that is why used too much.

Thought so.

Oh dear, if you see it, used too much? So then how do you know if one put enough on?
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Old 10-18-2015, 06:52 PM
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Read the last guide, and realize now using the way wrong applicator. Also, like the idea of mixing Klasse into a detailer, thus preventing over use of Klasse.
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Old 10-18-2015, 07:47 PM
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Spray the applicator with a detailer and use very little AIO is a cleaner polish, SG is just a polish.

P21S can be buffed off immediately, literally apply with the included sponge and within the second buff off.

I use 1 layer of AIO and 10 to 12 layers of SG at the rate of 1 a day. This gives time for it to cure. The shine can last through washings for a year or more. P21S is good for probably less than a month. It is very easy to reapply. The end result should be the paint looks wet.
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Old 10-18-2015, 10:08 PM
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Spray the applicator with a detailer and use very little AIO is a cleaner polish, SG is just a polish.

P21S can be buffed off immediately, literally apply with the included sponge and within the second buff off.

I use 1 layer of AIO and 10 to 12 layers of SG at the rate of 1 a day. This gives time for it to cure. The shine can last through washings for a year or more. P21S is good for probably less than a month. It is very easy to reapply. The end result should be the paint looks wet.
Thank you so very much for the reply!

I thought SG is a sealant?

Couldn't find anything specifying. Which side of the applicator is for what?

How do you prevent dust buildup between coats?

If only good for a month, then why expensive? Thought remembered it lasting longer than that. Just looked, and looks like you pay $15 for the applicator, so that explains good part of the cost.

Paint looks deeper than wet, which is so amazing for a auto that spent all its life outside, most in Southern California. Tram thought the paint was done until he had it detailed. I was mad the turbocharger damaged the paint, but got most, rebuilt turbocharger, so hopefully no more stains with that and the sealant. Seeing the results, tempted to give the Volkswagen a treatment.

Found that the prices on the dual action/random orbit polishers is less than I recall. Sorely tempted for the flat places, especially if going to do the Squareback, as it is a pain. B.T.D.T.. That is part of the reason don't do it as often, especially the poor Squareback.
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Old 10-18-2015, 11:52 PM
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Thank you so very much for the reply!

I thought SG is a sealant? "Klasse All in one and the Klasse Sealant Glaze have a reputation that speaks for itself. These state-of-the-art products will polish and protect the painted surfaces on your vehicle. Klasse Wax Products produce the depth and clarity of a high quality carnauba wax but lasts much longer. One or two applications of Klasse wax a year will keep your car protected and looking great!"

Couldn't find anything specifying. Which side of the applicator is for what? I have used sponges, micro fiber, cotton cloths polishing bonnets almost anything, just get it very thin

How do you prevent dust buildup between coats? Micro fiber cloth to dust and parking in garage,

If only good for a month, then why expensive? Thought remembered it lasting longer than that. Just looked, and looks like you pay $15 for the applicator, so that explains good part of the cost. P21s is cheap compared to other carnauba waxes. You can spend over $500 a container.

Paint looks deeper than wet, which is so amazing for a auto that spent all its life outside, most in Southern California. Tram thought the paint was done until he had it detailed. I was mad the turbocharger damaged the paint, but got most, rebuilt turbocharger, so hopefully no more stains with that and the sealant. Seeing the results, tempted to give the Volkswagen a treatment.

Found that the prices on the dual action/random orbit polishers is less than I recall. Sorely tempted for the flat places, especially if going to do the Squareback, as it is a pain. B.T.D.T.. That is part of the reason don't do it as often, especially the poor Squareback.
Best bang for your buck Use it to apply Klasse by putting saran wrap over the backing plate, put the bonnet on and spritz the bonnet to get damp and apply product You can also use it with micro fiber to polish off the product.


If using micro fiber towels tear off the label as it will mark the paint.

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