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That model does have a specific fender rust issue, but the car has held up very well and still looks decent with no special treatment
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Great VW diesel forums are the mentioned tdiclub/fredstdipage and vwdiesel .net for the pre TDI engines
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The main thing I've heard from people I know who run VW diesels, TDI and NA, is to avoid overheating them as the aluminum head does not tolerate the heat and will warp allowing the gasket to blow in short order. This seems true for any engine that has a cast iron block and aluminum head.
Yeah, I know that no engine should be overheated, but some engines, like all cast iron designs, "tolerate" it better than others, and the VW diesels definitely don't.
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My wife had a 2012 tdi.
That's had. It never started below zero even in the garage. The battery kept going dead. The dealership replaced the battery twice, and offered no other remedy other than it was our fault for not locking the car. After the warranty expired, we tried to change dealerships but found there was no record of our complaints, and hence no remedy. We dumped the car and went back to Honda. |
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Because you didn't lock the car? Was there trouble with the door locks, IE a fault in one of the door sensors in the door latch?
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Dealership maintained that because we didn't lock the car regularly, it was always on standby. So we tried locking it every night. Still drained. I ended up having to go out the the garage every night when the temps were below zero
and turn on the heater. The dealership treated my wife pretty badly-- I wasn't monitoring the situation or there would have been a paper trail. They blamed her, and she took the bait. Now we see that VW seems to have a bad attitude in general. I'm reporting here that it runs down through some dealers. We loved the car for performance and comfort but no way would we have a brand new car that needed to have a battery pack available at all times, as well as a second rate dealership to support it. We're not complainers, so we just walked off and won't come back. Their loss. |
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I'm a big fan of Honda. Working on Hondas is a pleasure and they are quite robust vehicles. Honda catches a lot of flack because of the car guys that put obnoxious mufflers on them, but the engine and chassis design is phenomenal.
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There are specialty shops for one reason. There are a few people who can stand working on those cars and because of that they can charge a premium labor rate for those customers who are unfortunate enough to need their services. Sure, I could specialize in VW, but you couldn't pay me enough to work on such miserable vehicles every day. My hatred is well founded and authentic. I just call it as I see it. VAG cars are the worst of the German automobiles, Nissan is the worst Jap brand, and Dodge is (was) the worst American brand. All of my opinions come from putting a wrench to those cars and immediately wanting to throw it through the windshield.
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Counting all cars within a brand to determine worth is silly IMO. Each one has its quirks. My most reliable car (including MBs) was a dodge stealth. Not terrible to work on either if you have half a brain and a multimeter yet you'll see people foaming at the mouth at their reputation. The mk4 vw we (family) have is far and away the most reliable car we've had.
My GTI was already starting to show wear at 20k. All luck of the draw. YMMV. Worked on all of them and the worst car has been a 2004 explorer. In this thread you have numerous owners of vw diesels, mostly happy but one cautionary one. Ymmv. You're shooting like 90% positive odds based on anecdotes and personal experience alone. Sent from an abacus
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"There are a few people who can stand working on those cars and because of that they can charge a premium labor rate for those customers who are unfortunate enough to need their services."
You are becoming ridiculous. There is No Way to support this argument, none without hyperbole and personal experience being the foundation. " My hatred is well founded and authentic." Ah, okay. Hatred/anger are secondary emotions, and once had, don't evaporate without careful exploration. Hatred and anger are also closed doorways to learning. I'm not attempting to criticize you, just offer what I've learned in My life. If I Hate something, there is an underlying reason that isn't necessarily fair to the item/person in question. " VAG cars are the worst of the German automobiles," You mean BMW; garage Queens. Lovely to drive, hard to maintain, and the Cost of Parts... And Dodge is still the worst US brand, bar-none.
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"Dealership maintained that because we didn't lock the car regularly, it was always on standby. So we tried locking it every night. Still drained. I ended up having to go out the the garage every night when the temps were below zero
and turn on the heater. " Absolutely BS, no mechanical rationale for that, as you learned when you tried it and it did the same thing. Sounds like your dealership is suspect... Sad thing is, this can happen anywhere. A 2nd VW dealership came into our town after I left my VW dealership who had had a monopoly since the late 80s when VW was struggling here. In the states... Anyway, a good friend of mine, fellow car enthusiast, got a chance to be a service writer there. He was doing well, and a second car friend came to see him for trouble with his TDi Mk4. The car came back worse than it arrived. Lots of back and forth, lots of it, and over time, a story became clearer of what Actually happened. This new dealership had hired a kid not long before my second friend brought this car in, said he thoroughly understood diesels. He did not. He installed the new turbo as he was told, but didn't drain the intercooler of blowby oil, it went runaway, destroyed itself, and they ended up rebuilding it wrong... On and on with this. Now, the service writer friend? He stood behind the dealership Instead of our mutual friend, made all sorts of excuses, the worst of which was that there was a 250 dollar charge to check the resistance on one electrical plug on the 3rd injector. Really? The point of all this? That service writer is now the Service Manager of a growing dealership, and I am sorely disgusted with him. I have yet to confront the man, but if I ever do, it won't be pretty. Suffice it to say, people are *******s, and that *******ness influences many folk away from any of a number of things; car brands, religion, politics, what have you...
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Everything is personal experience... If you couldn't support an opinion without somebody's personal experience you wouldn't have an opinion. I believe you are becoming ridiculous. If I have serviced the cars with no bias either way, why is my opinion invalid? If anything, since I'm disinterested and only take everything at face value, my technician's outlook is to be given more weight than your outlook. Fanboys tend to be blind to everything negative about their precious brand, and often warp reality to suit their argument. I have never owned a VAG automobile, but due to my first hand experience fixing them, servicing them at regular maintenance intervals, and observing how they age, I will never consider owning one as long as I live. It's not just me; my in laws own a 2008 VW Jetta Wolfsburg special edition. The car has had problems for a long time, and it isn't due to lack of maintenance. If you want a car that's cheaply built but sold at luxury price because it's German, get a VW. If you want to go to the dealer for service and repair EVERY TIME you need something fixed, get a VW. If you're just going to lease a car and beat the crap out of it and get rid of it before it falls apart, get a VW. If you want a quality car that is designed well, built with quality materials, and made to last over a decade, DO NOT get a VW.
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