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ironandsteel 12-13-2015 07:39 PM

What ATF for my 83 240D?
 
It has 208k miles and I'm getting it on the road for the first time since 99. I'm doing a trans filter change and I want to know what fluid I should get. I was at Advance Auto today and there are a LOT of options.

There's dexron and mercon and each has a myriad of variants. Then there is Mobil 1 and Pentosin synthetics. I do like the idea of synthetics if they are MB approved. I've found a few threads on the topic but not found a concensus.

I want to buy it tomorrow. Help!

Skippy 12-13-2015 08:51 PM

Dexron III is what they took originally.

thatguy 12-13-2015 09:28 PM

AA probably has Valvoline blue bottle DexIII, that's what I just used in my most recent service in my 95 E300 diesel. Chevron MD3 is also good, just stick with conventional for the ATF, at least IMO.


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mannys9130 12-13-2015 09:56 PM

Any fluid that's suggested for Dexron 3 use.

I use and really enjoy Valvoline Maxlife. It was a synthetic blend at the least, but I believe it's full synthetic now. Designed specifically for old transmissions, with a very good additive pack to support that.

WINGAS 12-14-2015 06:26 AM

What Manny said. I've also used Valvoline MaxLife on both 95s and 96's with good effect.

oldsinner111 12-14-2015 09:34 AM

I use Mobil One,or Coastal semi sync. in my 83 sd.

DieselPaul 12-14-2015 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannys9130 (Post 3552438)
Any fluid that's suggested for Dexron 3 use.

I use and really enjoy Valvoline Maxlife. It was a synthetic blend at the least, but I believe it's full synthetic now. Designed specifically for old transmissions, with a very good additive pack to support that.

I haven't bought it lately, but the gallon jug of Maxlife at places like Advance and Autozone was also the best value. This would be my dex/merc compatible fluid of choice as well.

jabstick420 12-14-2015 05:49 PM

check out https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/bevo-sheets-sort1.html

236.1, 236.6, 236.7, 236.9, 236.10, or 236.81

toomany MBZ 12-15-2015 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannys9130 (Post 3552438)
I use and really enjoy Valvoline Maxlife.

Me too.

Zulfiqar 12-15-2015 03:19 PM

the old dexron, DexII, IID, III, IIIG, IIIH are now obsolete, your transmission was filled with dexron or dexron II ATF.

whatever you buy called dex/merc at the stores will work as they are sort of following the old blending formula.

The upgraded dexron is dexron VI which is quite more stable, very resistant to foaming, flows quite well in cold and has better traction in the clutches (strong shifts). Some older units dont like how it affects the apply pistons and lip seals.

there are some fluids out there that meet Allison transmission TES-389 specification - which is 99% or even 100% close to the old dexron III-H specification of General Motors. There is a castrol transmax dex product and also a mobil product, mobil D/M which meets that spec.

The absolute pinnacle of old dexron III type ATF are Allison Transmission TES 295 ATF, they cost about 40 dollars a gallon, (too pricey for my taste) but they essentially never shear down.

I use the oldschool dex/merc type ATF you can buy from the parts stores, even house brands are good enough - like NAPA's own ATF (repackaged valvoline) or Autozone which sells warren lubes just like walmart ATF. - I add a bottle of lubegard conditioner to the ATF charge. Make sure you fill it correct, the dipstick is very deceiving in mercedes automatics

thatguy 12-15-2015 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Zulfiqar (Post 3552983)
Make sure you fill it correct, the dipstick is very deceiving in mercedes automatics

That's the truth. For whatever reason ALL Mercedes I've had, past or present, have the most finicky dipsticks known to man, seems like it take a good week of constant tweaking for the reading to finally be correct and consistent.

Still, it's better than a lot of newer cars, like Toyota, which don't even have a dipstick tube anymore with their "filled for life" transmissions; rather just a hard-to-reach fill port, and inspection port that is used to measure fluid levels at a tiny temperature window, it's unbelievably sensitive...:mad:

Zulfiqar 12-15-2015 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thatguy (Post 3552984)
That's the truth. For whatever reason ALL Mercedes I've had, past or present, have the most finicky dipsticks known to man, seems like it take a good week of constant tweaking for the reading to finally be correct and consistent.

Still, it's better than a lot of newer cars, like Toyota, which don't even have a dipstick tube anymore with their "filled for life" transmissions; rather just a hard-to-reach fill port, and inspection port that is used to measure fluid levels at a tiny temperature window, it's unbelievably sensitive...:mad:

In my 722.4 I set the ATF level right at the tip where the dipstick curls and the pointer points to the shaft of the dipstick. It always is perfect when I check it hot. The problem is that the hot level is quite sensitive too - e.g. if you check it at 90C ATF temperature it can creep further :mad:

ohh - the new toyota with the check from bum method - they finally made a tool that can test the level with transmission at operating temperature, but it requires to pull a vacuum on the transmission case first (with engine running).

Mercedes 7 speed are like that too - infact even worse than toyota. Mercedes had a ford moment when they decided to not provide a separate fill port in the transmission, You fill them up from the drain hole.

JHZR2 12-16-2015 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippy (Post 3552426)
Dexron III is what they took originally.



No, Dexron II may have been what they took originally, but it still had an MB sheet number.

Dex III is entirely compatible with Dex II (IMO the jury is still out over Dex VI in older transmissions), but there is no such thing as a Dexron III fluid any more. GM doesn't license the so it's anyone's guess what a D/M fluid might be.

That said, what can you do?

I personally run a name brand D/M fluid, and add lubeguard red for extra oxidation resistance.


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