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Old 07-11-2016, 06:52 PM
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In rethinking the notion of replacing the stock vacuum pump with an electric one, I now think it may be possible....not easy, but possible. As has been well documented, the problem is the VCV for the automatic transmission. It continuously bleeds vacuum to maintain a vacuum signal approximately equal to what a gasoline engine would generate for a comparable throttle position.

It might be possible to create that vacuum signal without a constant bleed.

I would envision such a system being comprised of a microcontroller, a vacuum sensor, a throttle position sensor (TPS), and two pneumatic solenoids - one for bleed and one for vacuum. The TPS would produce a voltage that could be read by the microcontroller that corresponds to the throttle position. That voltage would then be converted to a vacuum level which would be adjusted by activating a vacuum solenoid to increase vacuum or the bleed valve to decrease vacuum. And if there is no change in throttle position there is no bleed. In fact, the only time vacuum from the electric pump would be consumed is when there is a decreasing throttle position (vacuum is increased).

The fact that this could theoretically be done does not mean it should be done. It's a lot of work and a lot of new points of failure. Cost however would insignificant - an Arduino microcontroller is a couple bucks, a MAP sensor is a buck or two and a switchover valve is likewise a couple bucks.

Of course one could use a very small dedicated vacuum pump for the transmission and turn on the pump when vacuum is needed and use a switchover valve to bleed.

Just a crazy idea...

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In rethinking the notion of replacing the stock vacuum pump with an electric one, I now think it may be possible....not easy, but possible. As has been well documented, the problem is the VCV for the automatic transmission. It continuously bleeds vacuum to maintain a vacuum signal approximately equal to what a gasoline engine would generate for a comparable throttle position.

It might be possible to create that vacuum signal without a constant bleed.

I would envision such a system being comprised of a microcontroller, a vacuum sensor, a throttle position sensor (TPS), and two pneumatic solenoids - one for bleed and one for vacuum. The TPS would produce a voltage that could be read by the microcontroller that corresponds to the throttle position. That voltage would then be converted to a vacuum level which would be adjusted by activating a vacuum solenoid to increase vacuum or the bleed valve to decrease vacuum. And if there is no change in throttle position there is no bleed. In fact, the only time vacuum from the electric pump would be consumed is when there is a decreasing throttle position (vacuum is increased).

The fact that this could theoretically be done does not mean it should be done. It's a lot of work and a lot of new points of failure. Cost however would insignificant - an Arduino microcontroller is a couple bucks, a MAP sensor is a buck or two and a switchover valve is likewise a couple bucks.

Of course one could use a very small dedicated vacuum pump for the transmission and turn on the pump when vacuum is needed and use a switchover valve to bleed.

Just a crazy idea...
In the 1970s and 1980s a lot of smaller diesel trucks used belt-driven, bolt-on-chassis vacuum pumps to add brake boost. I have not looked for one but thought if I ever put a brake booster on a car earlier than a W115 I might use that. Has anyone looked?
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In the 1970s and 1980s a lot of smaller diesel trucks used belt-driven, bolt-on-chassis vacuum pumps to add brake boost. I have not looked for one but thought if I ever put a brake booster on a car earlier than a W115 I might use that. Has anyone looked?
There is a thread where one of our Members insalled one.

However, in there are lots of more current GM, Ford and Doge pickup trucks that use belt driving Vacuum Pumps. Just do a search on eBay.
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The Cummins 4B series engines of the '80's used a belt driven vacuum pump.

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