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Perhaps you will understand this better. . .take both paragraphs in their entirety as the second states the same operation that you concluded. The way you have it drawn is it a ground path for the alternator "not charging light." "not charging light" = the light on the dash that turns on when the alternator is "not charging". The current would normally flow through the field but if the brushes have failed there isn't a path. In normal operation, once the engine is running, voltage at the diode trio ( where the light is attached ) matches the light and the light goes out. ( + 12 V on both sides of the light ) Quote:
I never stated that the circuit as drawn functioned as a min charging level. I left it open that the resistor function on my car might set a min charging level but needs to be verified. The resistor was 220 Ohm from what I recall. Cars with EFI and other electronics have a minimum amp draw that never goes away so it would be possible to set a min charging level with a resistor from the regulated ground side of the field to battery ground. |
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My explanation in post 12 was incorrect: "Vreg has its own mini-alternator coils".
Vreg has its own "half-rectifier circuit" (3 small diodes going to D+), but it uses the same field and stator coils as the main part of the alternator (6 big diodes). The schematic in post 4 details it. Sorry, I recalled a different schematic. In simpler alternators, the field current is supplied externally via 2 brush terminals, from an external Vreg. The rest of the alternator is just the 6 diodes on the stator windings. GM has used the internal Vreg since the 1970's, which M-B followed. Hot rodders term that "1-wire alternator" and many like it since simpler connections (not really 1-wire, even in GM world). Trouble-shooting is not as easy, but "replace it all" becomes easier.
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I have a guess: the resistor, or it's absence, is used to vary the charging voltage.
My basis: the 55 - 65 amp Bosch alternator (same as the one on 300D -300SD W123-W126) is used on various skid steers, loaders, pumps & other construction equipment (some ag stuff also). In the alternator re-builders parts manual several brush/regulator assemblies are listed, with differing charging voltages. My experience has been that you can move the charging voltage up by adding a slight amount of resistance (50-100 ohms) to the sensing circuit. A 194 bulb in series usually moves the charging voltage up by a half volt (194 bulb is about 47-50 ohms). This is a good trick for a slow turning engine (think diesel) that idles most of the day and has a hard time keeping the battery charged. |
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There is no separate sense on these alternators. Sense is completely internal...D+ direct to regulator.
The resistor is there to provide an alternate path to ground for the indicator light, so that there's an indication of a regulator, brush, or rotor failure. |
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Yes, the sense is routed internally, but it can be intercepted & modified. Here is an article (BOSCH Voltage regulator mod) that better demonstrates the concept I refer to, that is, adding a slight resistance in the voltage sense circuit will push up the voltage set point in the regulator. This can be accomplished on the positive side (D+) or the negative/ground/earth side (D-). The technique used in the article uses a diode, I was taught to use resistance. It works - I've modified a 55a Bosch (in the field) using 18ga wire, solder, and a 194 bulb & socket. It kicked up the voltage output enough to keep the AGM batteries charged until we could get back to civilization.
Remember, I am guessing as to the reason for the resistor referred to in the original post. It would be interesting to bench test an alternator using each of the three regulator/brush assemblies. (just my $0.02) |
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