Yup... logistics, and all that. Anything that could bestow a tactical advantage...

fahrvergnugen: I see 100mpg frequently on the mpg meter of my 2001 Honda Insight - that car is a tour-de-force of fuel efficiency engineering. I also power my home with a free-energy generator... but I usually call it the solar system up on the roof.

Experience has shown me that you are wrong, and that our government has deliberately kept out high mpg cars for decades. Many recent VWs come to mind, even some Hondas as someone else has mentioned. As for CAFE, that didn't come into being until 1975, and they have only begun to have teeth for the last 15 or so years. Technology could and would be Much father along if we truly had a Free-Enterprise system. What, you've never seen the movie, 'Tucker'? He is only one example in a long list of folks who have either been bought-out, or killed off due to making a better automobile. See Stanley Meyer.

The problem with carburetors is that they attempt to atomize fuel using the venturi effect when it would be more efficient to use fuel vapor instead. What many have done is heat the fuel so that it's vapor pressure is higher, and it is therefore that much easier to atomize. Folks have done this since the 30s, can you guess why manufacturers have been reluctant to try this? No, not for safety reasons. Oil is and was the most valuable commodity worldwide. If it's value would have been Permanently altered to a lower level of value, the US would not be in the position it is now, both with regards to international trade, nor would the dollar be declining as quickly (the FED has had Two Emergency meetings with the VP and the P of the US in the past two weeks, a first time ever...) Oil was the means by which the US has conquered international trade, and the same reason we are poised to fail now. The saddest thing is all of this is a deliberate effort, to gather and maintain control.

As for details on how heating fuel could work, see here. 200mpg Carburetor Conversion PDF Yours For Free - Apparently Apparel

So by using that logic, since You have no experience with matters such as this, it can't be? Or to put it another way, since You don't believe it is 'believeable', then it must be a conspiracy? Tell me this; when was the last time you were wrong? Did anyone else witness this event? --You are welcome to believe what you like; cast doubt, throw out whatever evidence you care to, just don't offer a tautological ad hominem without expecting a challenge back. I don't care if you agree with me, but if you are going to challenge me, you would do well to come correct.

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I'm well aware that a solar cell isn't free energy; don't be a troll with a tiny dick, mmmmkay? The term you Appear to be hunting for is Over-Unity, and there are many interesting studies that show it is becoming a reality... HHO generators are particularly interesting to me.

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My 300D drives greener than a Tesla, at least in CA where most electricity is mostly from burning fossil fuels (coal), now that the San Onofre nuke plant is shuttered and the greenies want to shut-down Diablo Canyon next. I buy renewable diesel, generated from bio wastes, and no veg-oil conversion necessary. I do emit more NOx, but that isn't a problem for climate change, just a pest for humans in crowded stagnant regions like L.A.

HHO (or Brown's gas) gives interesting reads on the web, but little with a scientific basis. Watch the Mythbuster's episode where they investigated it and found no substance.

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The some Hondas are battery / combustion powered cars and are not relevant to the discussion as they store energy for later reuse.

I don't consider movies like Tucker to be a documentary, they are entertainment since real life is pretty boring.


So you have built one of these 100 / 200 MPG devices? If not, is the Govt keeping you from doing so?

Fuel metering only accounts for a relatively small area of possible improvement, other areas make up the bulk of losses.

Where does the heat thrown off by the engine radiator come from?

Where does the heat thrown off by the rear differential come from?

Where does the heat thrown off by tires rolling at speed come from?

Where does the energy come from to operate the AC or generate electricity?

Aerodynamic losses also account for a large portion of energy use, where does the energy to overcome this loss come from? If aero isn't a factor, why are some cars speed limited even though the engine isn't at red line?

How does more efficient mixing of air and fuel counter the above losses? If the above losses were minimized, what sort of MPG would you expect?

As for
"The saddest thing is all of this is a deliberate effort, to gather and maintain control."

Is the "deliberate effort" not the definition of conspiracy?

I have 40+ years in and around the automotive industry, after running my own shop for a decade, I then worked as a machine tech for a major electronics manufacturer. I'm now employed at a different factory as a production / manufacturing / solve complicated electro - mechanical machinery problems engineer.

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Are you certain? I'm not.

You're smart enough to absorb the gist ( I have to assume so, otherwise this would all be wasted effort...). BTW, Documentaries can be skewed just as much as a film of entertainment; ever seen 'An Inconvenient Truth'? Tucker develops a car superior to what is already on the market, the market recognizes it, and jumps in to block the engineer/salesman any way they can. In this case, they had a point; the manner in which Tucker raised funds for his cars was indeed questionable. His engineering and desire for higher standards of safety were not. The details in the grand-scheme of the film are accurate; watch it and research it before you criticize its' accuracy... If you Want to be accurate, and fair.



No; if I haven't, in your brand of logic, does that mean it isn't possible? That's what we are discussing here, correct? As I said, when I was a kid, my Father and I met the man that made the device for the Toronado. Did I see the proof? No. My Dad would have been sharper at picking up BS details than I would. Since he ran with it, and since he is a sharp man, I tend to believe that he would have picked up on BS if he had found any. That may not mean much to you, be that as it may...

Since we haven't established a platform of what vehicle to discuss, you cannot make that claim. If you Can, please support that point.


Where is the point in this line of questioning? Each of these matters, while important, have Nothing to do with the argument on whether a Toronado could do as I have claimed or not. None.


Your line of questioning appears as a deliberate form obfuscation, of that I am sure. You don't Believe there is a conspiracy, so therefore there isn't in your world. I Do believe there is a deliberate conspiracy. Men have conspired for many various reasons ever since the dawn of time; money, power, sex, whathaveyou. I don't see why this obvious detail doesn't exist in your world, or does it just not exist in your world of automobilia?


Bully for you! Are you aware how many 'experts' in any given field have been upset by 'novices' over the course of history? Also, were you aware that you are employing the fallacy of an 'Appeal to Authority' as the substance of your argument? Do you find that efficacious? Or do you only use this fallacy when approaching someone that attempts to challenge your worldview?


So, you are either an individual suffering from 'Multiple Personalities', whereas one of the Asian ones Just took control of your keyboard, OR, you are a Dick with an inability to broaden your horizon... I'd go for the former given those two choices.


The thing is, I personally know (2) Auto Engineers who have had either 50+ years in the field, or 35+, and both believe as I do; does that mean since there are Three of us, and only One of you that we are Therefore Much More Likely to be Accurate? Of course not. Would I gamble that you believe me? Probably not. But even so, does that Necessarily mean I am lying? Or that you are Necessarily right?

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Thats simply not true. Whoever told you that was lying.
California Electrical Energy Generation
Total Production, by Resource Type
(Gigawatt Hours)
As you can see the vast majority comes from natural gas followed by hydro and then nuclear. Even solar and wind are bigger sources of electricity in the state than coal. The tail pipe emisisons from a combined cycle natural gas power plant are a hell of a lot cleaner per kw than whats coming out of your tail pipe even if you're buying renewable diesel. You still win on net carbon if you're running renewable diesel but the claim that electric cars in California run on coal is BS.

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Ahhh... Forced... still in CO are u?

Lol, no, I'm not Forced Induction. He wouldn't be caught dead in Olathe. Rogviler knows me and will vouch if asked.

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Nit-picking in my parenthesis. Natural gas and coal are both "fossil fuels", so both emit CO2, which is the long-term emissions threat to life on earth as we know it, if you belief Al Gore and most scientists, currently termed "climate change". Formerly termed "global warming", but they decided to hedge their bets. NOx just threatens humans in overcrowded cities, and they will likely be decimated by disease regardless, to the applause of other mammals.

I personally think the EPA should let VW off easy. If their diesels get better mpg, at the expense of more NOx, that is less contribution to climate change. Similarly, don't feel guilty if you remove your M-B EGR valve, as many here have done. They can't be affordably replaced and most don't work correctly anymore anyway. NOx and ozone are good at blocking uV (remember the "ozone hole"?), if they drift up high.

I am not opposed to Tesla's on emissions grounds, just saying I am better since the fuel I burn would rot otherwise, and emit the same CO2. I don't think they are practical or affordable. Think you could really drive from SF to LA? Probably won't make it if you run the AC and/or run into a head-wind.

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Not only do I think I can drive a Tesla from LA to SF, I already have driven a Tesla from LA to SF (OC to Marin to be exact). You are aware of the supercharging stations along the way... right?
We stopped for lunch at Harris Ranch and 30 minutes later the car was ready to go the rest of the way. Oh and the charge was free. This was the middle of summer with AC on the whole way.

So you were saying something?

LOL

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