Key stuff again - Not lock steering wheel? - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

dieselbenz1 · #16 08-01-2016, 08:12 PM

The guy In the video was in rougher shape than you. Just put key in position 1 and insert the wire presto you should be done.

Graham · #17 08-01-2016, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lindajane

Hello,

I looked at this video
of taking the tumbler out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2kAIA2-sZ8&app=desktop
The guys key broke off...when I put the key in and turn to right position,
the key does not come out. SO at that point I can stick the paper clip
part in the little hole and hopefully work with it so I can turn to the left
and take the part out?
Thanks

That's about it. Not all locks are the same, so paper clip doesn't always work. I used a heavy duty canvas type sewing needle. Others use some bailing wire and sharpen tip. You need to wiggle things a bit and push to get wire to go all the way in and release the catch.

lindajane · #18 08-01-2016, 08:22 PM

OK, so I've gone out and inserted paper clip, two different sizes.
It goes in, so IS the silver part where the key is inserted supposed
to pop up a bit and then I can unscrew the black?
The black won't unscrew, at all, Could it be ready to come off
but the black part is Stuck?, It hasn't been dealt with in years.
Is there a way to tell When the black part is supposed to be
able to turn left?
Thanks
LindaJ

GregMN · #19 08-01-2016, 10:34 PM

Look at the video again.

Freeze the frame at 1:30 and look at the tumbler assembly.
The wire is still installed and it is holding the locking bolt down flush with the tumbler barrel.

Freeze the frame at 1:46 and look at the tumbler assembly.
The wire is removed and the locking bolt is sticking up above the tumbler barrel.

It is that locking bolt that sticks up and prevents the black collar from turning.

Keep trying with the wire until it has pulled down the locking bolt so the collar can turn.

If you think that the locking bolt is indeed retracted and the collar will not turn ( stuck ): using a large, long, flat blade screw driver with a new, sharp, edge, put the edge on the collar at and angle so most of the downward force applied to the screwdriver will push the collar around the ignition assembly, not toward the center of it. Hitting the end of the screw driver handle with your hand should be enough force to get the collar to start to unscrew. A LIGHT tap with a small hammer could also be used. If it doesn't come easy, it is probably not unlocked yet, so don't force it.

lindajane · #20 08-01-2016, 11:21 PM

Hi....
The video I posted that I looked at ends around 1:45...
just want to make sure we're talking of the same video...
thanks
LindaJ

Diesel911 · #21 08-02-2016, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lindajane

SO, If I manage to do this, I can literally start the car with a screw
driver until I get it fixed?....I won't get a shock or anything?
And If I manage to do this, At that point, would I want to replace
the tumbler to fix it?, could I do that and would that require a new
set of Mercedes Keys?...

12 volts is not going to shock you. If you were dealing with the battery cables of touching a Positive wire to the Chassis if the car there is enough amperage for a wire to get hot and burn you. But, if tere is a Fuse in the circuit that would burn before things got hot.

However in the case of the Lock Tumbler the actual Ignition Switch and Electrical connector are way on the bottom about 4 inches away from the lock tumbler so there is nothing electrical on the lock tumbler end.

The pick is what the inside looks like when the Lock Tumbler is removed and you can see the slot that you would use the screwdriver on.

lindajane · #22 08-02-2016, 02:17 AM

Thanks,
I can get paperclip in the ignition, but no matter, I can't
turn the black piece. It was still in the position needed for this,
so just ran out, realizing I can't leave it in this position, or it
would run the battery down, right??...still learning.
Tomorrow I'll try again, I have an old tool box of my dads, with
drill bits, old dental stuff, maybe something in there will work.
Or maybe the black part is stuck. But I have hope for tomorrow.
I have to be able to drive this on Wed. Can't take it to the
mechanic until Thursday.
Thanks for your advice,
LindaJ

GregMN · #23 08-02-2016, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lindajane

I Wish there was a way I could keep and use the old keys. I'm sentimental, They're the original keys from 84.

The new tumbler from MB will use the same key as your old tumbler. So all the old keys should work in the new tumbler.

funola · #24 08-02-2016, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lindajane

Thanks,
I can get paperclip in the ignition, but no matter, I can't
turn the black piece. It was still in the position needed for this,
so just ran out, realizing I can't leave it in this position, or it
would run the battery down, right??...still learning.
Tomorrow I'll try again, I have an old tool box of my dads, with
drill bits, old dental stuff, maybe something in there will work.
Or maybe the black part is stuck. But I have hope for tomorrow.
I have to be able to drive this on Wed. Can't take it to the
mechanic until Thursday.
Thanks for your advice,
LindaJ

Maybe you should have stayed with your first thread, where someone posted instructions on what you need to do to shut the engine off and not run the battery down so you can continue to drive the car till you get the tumbler replaced?

BWhitmore · #25 08-02-2016, 11:29 AM

Linda's car has a non repeat ignition switch. Once the car is turned off using either the ignition switch or the stop lever under the hood the key must be turned back to the lock position in order to re-start the car. This leaves her back in the original position of having the steering wheel locked and ignition switch locked.

funola · #26 08-02-2016, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWhitmore

Linda's car has a non repeat ignition switch. Once the car is turned off using either the ignition switch or the stop lever under the hood the key must be turned back to the lock position in order to re-start the car. This leaves her back in the original position of having the steering wheel locked and ignition switch locked.

Instructions were posted using the stop lever on the injection pump and disconnecting battery cable till the next start, then connect battery cable and using the terminal block to start. The key is never touched. May have to jump the glow plugs, not sure if connecting the battery cable will energize the glow plugs

dieselbenz1 · #27 08-02-2016, 12:22 PM

This is turning out to be quite the cliff hanger Lindajane! Everytime you shut down your chances of restarting decrease greatly and that makes me cringe. You may need a bit of force to insert the pin a bit of wiggling but you will feel it once it releases.

BWhitmore · #28 08-02-2016, 12:26 PM

You are correct that the key is never touched when shutting off the engine using the Stop lever. The problem occurs on the re-start. In order to re-start the car using the ignition switch the key must be turned back to the lock position, leaving the high potential of not being able to turn the key back to the number 1 position or being able to even crank the engine.