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Old 11-03-2016, 07:33 PM
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BTW, I could be just another internet poster spewing BS electrons or I could be someone who has had a ringside seat personally witnessing these types of scenarios. Your call.

I've got over 40 years in and around the auto repair industry paralleled with 20 in industrial machinery repair. Ten of those automotive years were when I had my own shop. In other words I've seen / repaired, lots of broken stuff.

Sure, there can be shoddy repairs, I'm not disputing that. For the car in question, repairing this is a non event. For suspension damage I'm expecting maybe tie rod assembly / steering arm / spindle to be replaced. The suspension pickup points could have been moved but not by much.

Why are you buying old cars? Sounds like you should be leasing a new car every 4 years to avoid buying a bad old car.

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I have a lot of respect for anyone in the bodyshop business. It is a tough business to be in, there are a lot of people to answer to plus it requires a lot of expensive tooling to properly perform repairs.


At least you realize that.



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Update: With the advent of aluminum body cars and trucks, the body shop business is poised to make a lot of $$$$$$ repairing these aluminum cans. If I had the money to start a body shop, I'd fire one up RIGHT NOW. Ford, Jaguar BRING ON THE ALUMINUM BABY, I NEED THE BUXX!!!!!!

Your background in repairing these cars is what? Don't think a high end frame rack is a substitute an experienced rack man.

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Old 11-04-2016, 10:13 AM
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It appears most MB dealerships are out of the body repair/frame straightening business. That said, there does exists body shops that are MB certified. If they have the necessary equipment to perform the repair properly, I'd vote for that.

MB is a different can of worms as opposed to say, a Ford or a Chevrolet. The MB design is different and if a shop that is not MB certified works on it, there is the chance they won't get it right.
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Old 11-04-2016, 12:33 PM
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The 1982 to 92 Camaro / Firebird front suspension is 'pert near the same as the MB car in question. Similar era Mustang is the same also with lower control arm and McPherson strut. About the only difference is a front mounted steering box / front mounted rack and pinion over the MB rear steer. There goes your Ford / Chevy.

Don't get all caught up in the aura that MB is from some advanced universe and mere earthlings can't comprehend how to fix them. They are just a car that happens to be well built.

Right now, somewhere in the depths of Africa, the same car is getting it's frame pulled by a elephant on one end and a rhinoceros on the other. .. .
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Old 11-04-2016, 01:29 PM
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Although I tend to otherwise agree with your post 97, the 124 is not a McPherson strut.
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Old 11-04-2016, 02:07 PM
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Right now, somewhere in the depths of Africa, the same car is getting it's frame pulled by a elephant on one end and a rhinoceros on the other. .. .
I'd love to see a pic, better yet, a video.
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Heard back from body shop today. Only mechanical damage is to the wheel bearing. So Otis is on the road to a full recovery....and he'll have a painted hood and roof so he'll be even better than he was!
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The 1982 to 92 Camaro / Firebird front suspension is 'pert near the same as the MB car in question. Similar era Mustang is the same also with lower control arm and McPherson strut. About the only difference is a front mounted steering box / front mounted rack and pinion over the MB rear steer. There goes your Ford / Chevy.

Don't get all caught up in the aura that MB is from some advanced universe and mere earthlings can't comprehend how to fix them. They are just a car that happens to be well built.

Right now, somewhere in the depths of Africa, the same car is getting it's frame pulled by a elephant on one end and a rhinoceros on the other. .. .
I don't recall MB ever using McPherson strut suspensions. I've owned a w124, w210, w123 and can recall they don't have those. I'm not sure about other models. They use a shock absorber.
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Old 11-09-2016, 05:35 PM
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The 124 is a strut suspension, not McPherson strut. The difference is that in the McPherson strut, the strut is in the coil spring, in the strut suspension it is not (but there is no upper control arm, the strut locates the upper suspension point, making it a strut instead of a shock absorber/damper).

People confuse the two all of the time, just like many people will call the airflow meter in early cars MAFs, ...
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I'd defer to SAE for the "proper" terminology, however in the generic real world, few are going to make a fine distinction between strut and Macpherson strut ( Note proper spelling of Earle S Macpherson name according to the patent application. https://www.google.com/patents/US2660449 )

And to further mix things up, sometimes Macpherson suspension systems are generically called strut or "I need new shocks in the front" when referring to a system that uses the damper as a structural portion of the suspension.

Even calling this something a "shock absorber" isn't accurate because the springs absorb road shocks and the hydraulic unit dampens suspension oscillations.

Regardless, the 82 - 92 Camaro and Similar years Mustang both have the coil spring between the lower control arm and frame making them no different than the W124 / R129 and others.
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... so you're saying that the F-body is not MacPherson Strut either?
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I'm saying that the 124 - 129 has the same front suspension layout as the Camaro / Mustang , what ever you want to call it is up to you.

I'm starting to think you are an English teacher that just happens to like cars.

The whole ordeal is like:

Is an internal combustion device that creates rotary motion an engine or motor?

Do we call lubricating oil, engine or motor oil?

Do we call a 2 wheeled conveyance propelled by an internal combustion device a motor cycle or an engine cycle?

Are we driving along a motor way or an engine way?

Are we racing at a motor sports park or an engine sports park?
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I don't need a personal attack, and this isn't a simple matter of semantics or grammar, a MacPherson Strut suspension has the strut in the coil spring and the Mercedes 124 does not. I'm a former Automotive Engineer / member SAE, if I were an English teacher I'd be pointing out other mistakes in your posts.

It has been discussed here before, and many people on this forum actually care whether they are using the proper term for their car's parts, especially when looking for advice/service/parts etc. so that they can get the advice etc. that actually applies to the part or problem that they are having.

If a GM F-body has a similar spring, strut, and control arm arrangement, great. It still doesn't mean that a GM shop that has never been under a 124 can properly repair it.

In answer to your other questions, look them up, they all have correct answers even in our urban inspired grammar changes.

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