Say it's not so....possibly no more MB diesels in the USA... - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

KrustyKustom · #1 11-22-2016, 09:00 PM

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tjts1 · #2 11-22-2016, 09:50 PM

Didn't we just debunk this in another thread recently.

KrustyKustom · #3 11-22-2016, 09:56 PM

Yes, but this is a new article saying maybe they will cease to exist potentially. I would be surprised as the dealers have no problem selling them and they have a loyal following.

Dang VW spoiled it for us....

TylerH860 · #4 11-23-2016, 12:35 AM

Why would you want to buy the new ones anyways? They are certainly going to be a nightmare to own out of warranty.

tjts1 · #5 11-23-2016, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TylerH860

Why would you want to buy the new ones anyways? They are certainly going to be a nightmare to own out of warranty.

Bingo.

Why spend new car money on a slow inefficient diesel when you can have an EV? It doesn't make sense. Where's the EV E class that goes 200+ miles, Mercedes? The clock is ticking.

KrustyKustom · #6 11-23-2016, 08:44 AM

Why would you buy one? Well the only other thing that will tow my 30 Airstream is a gas guzzling King size SUV that falls apart after 4 to 5 years. With the GL 350 I get 17mpg towing and 28 vehicle alone. What EV vehicle is going to help me? The problem with people who push the EV vehicles is they think everyone has a 20 mile work commute.

I agree on the complications of a new diesel but I do my own work and after 100k emission warranty replacing parts is part of the territory.

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tyl604 · #7 11-23-2016, 09:57 AM

Tyler - why do you say that? What do you know about the new diesels?

TylerH860 · #8 11-23-2016, 11:28 AM

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Tyler - why do you say that? What do you know about the new diesels?

Ad blue system.
Sequential Turbo
Balance shafts.
CDI injectors.

All takes a SDS computer to properly diagnose.

At least the glow plugs are easy to change now

tyl604 · #9 11-23-2016, 11:39 AM

OK, so what is the newest diesel I should buy (if, of course, my '81 300SD ever dies).

By the way the 2002 ML320 that I bought from you for my daughter is still running strong.

DieselPaul · #10 11-23-2016, 11:45 AM

A friend who is the GM of a Mercedes dealership disagrees with that article at least in the short term. Several new ones coming next year.

That being said, gasoline engines have taken the technologies that made diesel more efficient (direct injection, turbocharging, high compression) and ditched a lot of the downsides of diesel. So it does stand to reason that eventually diesels will go away.

All new car engines are complicated, everything is relative, in a couple years you'll all be praising the E250 engine and ****ting on the 2022 E200adbluemaxifueleconomygreendiesel for being unreliable.

I've been on this forum for a few years, everyone said 606s were complicated junk, then CDIs were complicated junk, now 606s are apparently "the last of the handbuilts" and CDIs are the gold standard. It's all relative.

TylerH860 · #11 11-23-2016, 03:11 PM

It's been 10 years since the inline 6 CDI was new, and that seems to be the last one most old school diesel heads are falling in love with.

The die hards have never like anything since 1985 for as long as I've been here.

tjts1 · #12 11-23-2016, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KrustyKustom

Why would you buy one? Well the only other thing that will tow my 30 Airstream is a gas guzzling King size SUV that falls apart after 4 to 5 years. With the GL 350 I get 17mpg towing and 28 vehicle alone. What EV vehicle is going to help me? The problem with people who push the EV vehicles is they think everyone has a 20 mile work commute.

I agree on the complications of a new diesel but I do my own work and after 100k emission warranty replacing parts is part of the territory.

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babymog · #13 11-23-2016, 04:53 PM

Like KK said, ... not all of us are within driving range of an outlet, want to rape the earth for battery elements, feel that the need to own an extra car just for long drives or hauling is worth the additional carbon footprint of producing extra cars, etc., etc. I've been around electric cars since the citycar in 1975, love them but still haven't been able to make one practical. Judge and recommend vehicles for people in your own demographics, profile, etc. please.

Diesel produces 30% less greenhouse gasses than gasoline, and that's just at the tailpipe. Gasoline also has a larger carbon footprint to produce, and its tendency to constantly evaporate creates other pollution, which only a couple of states collect at the pump, and NONE collect the gasses that are pumped out of storage tanks when they are filled with fuel, ... we love to control the obvious sources no matter how small (and thus the success of putting a HYBRID badge on an Escalade).

Regarding all of the Chicken Little BS regarding new cars and keeping them on the road, that's as much a factor in a new EV or gasoline car as diesel. Look at your safety equipment, your communication, infotainment, no electric windows are direct-control from a switch anymore, etc., etc. If you think that ANY car is going to be simple and cheap to keep running you're fooling yourself. However, I remember my Father telling me that my complicated new Audi Quattro with all of its power gizmos and AWD would be problems (in 1985), I sold it with only new brakes, timing belt, tires, exhaust, fluids and filters after 200,000miles (driven hard and fast). About the same time 123 people were looking down at the W124, then again as every generation comes around.

Sure my new cars will need some maintenance, so did the '87 300TD that stranded me in 1988 with a blown heater hose, ... my '91 300TE 4matic that lost an alternator in a blizzard in '93, ... so far (knocking on wood) I've had no problems with my '15 bluetec so it's beating some of the W124s.

DieselPaul · #14 11-23-2016, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerH860

It's been 10 years since the inline 6 CDI was new, and that seems to be the last one most old school diesel heads are falling in love with.

The die hards have never like anything since 1985 for as long as I've been here.

I personally am noticing a lot of people with OM642 cars. Give it another year or two you'll see more, the OM648 DIYs are all over the place, starting to see some for the 642s. Don't pretend like you're a stranger to automotive progress.

Adriel · #15 11-23-2016, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by babymog

Like KK said, ... not all of us are within driving range of an outlet, want to rape the earth for battery elements, feel that the need to own an extra car just for long drives or hauling is worth the additional carbon footprint of producing extra cars, etc., etc. I've been around electric cars since the citycar in 1975, love them but still haven't been able to make one practical. Judge and recommend vehicles for people in your own demographics, profile, etc. please.

Diesel produces 30% less greenhouse gasses than gasoline, and that's just at the tailpipe. Gasoline also has a larger carbon footprint to produce, and its tendency to constantly evaporate creates other pollution, which only a couple of states collect at the pump, and NONE collect the gasses that are pumped out of storage tanks when they are filled with fuel, ... we love to control the obvious sources no matter how small (and thus the success of putting a HYBRID badge on an Escalade).

So true, nailed it!

Being I used to drive to Southern California and back, when driving the 300TD-T, if kept the speed reasonable and no traffic, could do the whole trip on one full tank, though risky. Point being, only need to stop no more than 15 minutes in Dateland. If had an E.V., that mean my five hour trip become at least seven, if not eight, by getting stuck in both morning and evening traffic because have to take at least an hour to charge up.

Now if they actually get the solar recharged E.V.s, that would help on a clear sunny day driving five hours through the desert. But, think it take years to get the charging rate to at least match the discharging rate.

Further, with diesel, there are some great non-petroleum products available and coming available. Out here, the Solar Lab of A.S.U. is producing algae fuel. Apparently right now only using it in limited quantities (tried to find out how to purchase a tank full before the accident).

Do you have a source for less pollution via burning diesel over gasoline? Does make sense as the 280TE that working on puts out way more smell out the tailpipe.