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Old 11-23-2016, 12:02 PM
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Do new Guide Rod Mounts require a mounting kit?

I'm looking at purchasing new Guide Rod Mounts and wanted to know if they require a mounting kit? If so, does anyone know the peach parts parts number for the mounting kit?

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Old 11-23-2016, 12:33 PM
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HMMMM.........your W123 or your W126?

Here is Roy`s write up for the W126


.DIY W126 Guide Rod, lower control arm bushing and Eccentric Pin Replacement
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Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

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Old 11-23-2016, 01:39 PM
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Sorry, this is for the 1984 300DT. Also, some people are complaining about quality issues regarding Lemforder Guide Mounts. I always thought Lemforder was a high quality product.......
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Old 11-23-2016, 04:04 PM
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Just spoke to the dealer; genuine Mercedes Benz front end suspension components for the W123 are drying up. I never thought I would see this happen; in years past you could buy ANY part for a W123, this is changing.

Perhaps they are trying to drive these cars off the road??
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Old 11-24-2016, 02:57 AM
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I don`t know what the mounting kit is.
I have every new front end part for a 123 in Lemforder. The Guide Rod Mount bolts to the Body,
and the Track Rods screws onto it.

Haven`t heard of Lemforder parts being bad or iffy.


After 30+ years and MB is still supplying parts if pretty good. But as the pool of these cars
is drying up, I can see why they would supply less and less parts.
Or even keep an inventory.

My thinking is, if you like these old cars and want to keep them for a long time.
You better start stocking up on parts, and picking up on some cheap bodies.
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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works
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Old 11-24-2016, 11:27 AM
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FWIW, The rest of your rubber front end parts are shot if they haven't been replaced. Refurbishing all will make it steer like intended. Mine stopped following the road crown and drives straight like it is supposed to.

New guide rod mounts will only get rid of one clunk source. They are pretty easy to install if the spring is removed for a complete refurb. Total parts cost is ~ $600. Now is a good time to repack the wheel bearings and fix any potential brake problems.

I had one upper control arm bolt and one lower control arm eccentric bolt rusted that had to be cut out on 2 SDs (1 & 1 total). They can be cut with a new blade and a sawzall. Don't waste time trying to gently remove if they don't come out easily. Just cut them out. Put the blade on the old bushing so as not to hit the body and pull the trigger. Done.
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Old 11-24-2016, 11:32 AM
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I'm looking at purchasing new Guide Rod Mounts and wanted to know if they require a mounting kit? If so, does anyone know the peach parts parts number for the mounting kit?
The actual guide rod and the guide rod mounts are sold separately.

There is no mounting kit for the guide rod mounts that I am aware of.

The newest of these cars is now 31 years old. My buddy owns a shop. It is now routine for him to be unable to get dealer parts for 5-6 year old GM products. I have heard the same about Hyundai on ~8 year old cars.

Right now I agree with Charlie, I find the parts availability on the whole to be somewhere between 'very good' and 'WOW'. I have had relatively obscure stuff ordered in from the regional warehouse in 24 hrs.That being said, in the last year I have had to wait for many more things to come from Germany, than was the case before. Also the transit time now seems to be 7-8 days. It was averaging 4 days at one point.

The pool of these cars IS drying up and I would guess that 90 percent or more of the existing owners buy aftermarket parts. So to expect Mercedes to keep everything in stock is kind of hypocritical if you're normally going for Lemforder then get into a jam and go begging to Uncle Mercedes. Just sayin.

Also from what I understand, most stuff NLA from the dealer can be had with a call to the Classic Center. I am in Canada so it isn't an option, just reporting on what I have heard.

Mercedes has undergone a huge change. It's just another car company now, run by marketers, MBAs and beancounters. Apart from name and the continuing commitment to safety, it hasn't much in common with the company that built the w123. Long-term parts availability won't be much of an issue in the future, as the cars they build today will be unrepairable (cost and complexity) much beyond the 8-year mark.

I have a pretty decent stock of Lemforder at home. My local parts supplier has been told that if she orders something in (Lemforder) and the box says China, to send it back and ask for a European-sourced part. I started it and now she does it with every regular customer. She sometimes has to send the box back twice.
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Old 11-25-2016, 10:58 AM
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Just another car company......

In days past, one could purchase any part for any mercedes benz model going back to 1927. As far as I'm aware, NO other car company ever came close to offering parts on cars that were out of production more than five years much less going back to 1927.

No other car company ever came close to matching their expansive parts catalog. The philosophy of maintaining parts for cars going back to 1927 kept MB at the TOP of the food chain.

Obviously, the Gods at Stuutgart have changed their tune/policy concerning parts availability on both new and vintage cars. There is no doubt in my mind that this policy change has lowered the perceived value of MB in the eyes of the automotive press. In days past MB was seen as a car that could easily go one million miles. Not only was the car engineered to go the long haul, the fact you could buy the necessary parts to go one million miles kept MB at the top of the heap.

As the one poster stated, they have devolved into merely another car company, nothing special here, move along.......they are simply seen as another "throwaway" car like GM, Ford and Chrysler. After five years, you best trade your MB in on a NEW MB because the parts pool will dry up leaving you stranded high and dry.

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Old 11-25-2016, 07:12 PM
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The actual "carrier" is aluminum. That does not need to be replaced, only cleaned up. The part that adjusts caster can be replaced along with 2 bushings that fit into the carrier. All can be knocked out with a BFH and installed with threaded rod, various large washers and perhaps a short piece of pipe of the correct diameter. A press works better.

Water based grease helps the bushings slide into the carrier.

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