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Old 01-02-2017, 09:24 PM
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European Headlight Wiring - Left Headlight Out

Trying to convert back to the European lights and nothing going right.

Big issue was the A/C hoses going to the drier were in the way.

Then had to use the Depo crap again as no bread for Hella units. Besides, had two shipped and broken to bits, no refund possible. (Can we say ouch?) Got so peeved at the fit, fixed it with a box knife. Das ist alles!

Never checked if the lights were working correct, only drove once at night and very dim. But, since never experienced U.S. headlights, can't or couldn't tell something not right.

On high beam, got half of the left, half of fog, and full right. All bulbs are good.

Get out the volt meter, turn on just the headlights, and get 12 volts at low beams, even with the high beams on, both sides.

Also, at the fog light, when in the off position, get 6 volts.

When fog lights on, 12 volts.

Was in the process of hooking up the city lights. With the Frankfort market wiring, colors match none of the diagrams. Have one spliced wire on each side, so by cutting the splice, found it for the running lights.

So, do the city lights run anytime the headlights are on?

Thank you so very much for any help!

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Old 01-03-2017, 12:36 AM
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I don't follow all the issues but it sounds like it's not wired correctly.

The city lights are on whenever the park lights are on so they're on when the headlights are on but make no difference (3W vs 55W).

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Old 01-03-2017, 12:56 AM
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W123 USA headlight wiring: Left: white-high beam; yellow-low beam; gray/green-fog; brown- ground. Right: black/yellow- high beam; white/black-low beam; gray/green- fog; brown- ground.
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:05 AM
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I don't follow all the issues but it sounds like it's not wired correctly.

The city lights are on whenever the park lights are on so they're on when the headlights are on but make no difference (3W vs 55W).

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It resolved itself when tried to take pictures for Tram.

Now just don't have fog lights.

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W123 USA headlight wiring: Left: white-high beam; yellow-low beam; gray/green-fog; brown- ground. Right: black/yellow- high beam; white/black-low beam; gray/green- fog; brown- ground.
Too funny!

Or should I be insulted that you think I am that stupid? No, because your the one that didn't read.
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:39 AM
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It resolved itself when tried to take pictures for Tram.

Now just don't have fog lights.



Too funny!

Or should I be insulted that you think I am that stupid? No, because your the one that didn't read.

When you decide to get nasty toward a person who took time to try to help you, you should at least use correct spelling. The "your" in your last sentence should be "you're".


Sixto and Whitmore both thought you may have wired it wrong. Maybe you should read your original post again to see if it is subject to that interpretation.
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Old 01-03-2017, 11:07 AM
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When you decide to get nasty toward a person who took time to try to help you, you should at least use correct spelling. The "your" in your last sentence should be "you're".


Sixto and Whitmore both thought you may have wired it wrong. Maybe you should read your original post again to see if it is subject to that interpretation.
I wasn't nasty was I to Sixto? Whitmore maybe now you point out.

Okay, so this is not correct: http://dieselbenz.info/index.php?title=Euro_Headlights?

What don't understand is the wiring in the 300 matches the 280, but with the symptoms, seems not.

Odd thing is the one fog light came on, but since 6 volt and with the switch off, doubt accuracy.
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Old 01-03-2017, 11:41 AM
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Your symptoms point to the fact that you have it wired wrong. If the switch is off, you can't get 6V unless you have the wiring wrong, or you have a wiring fault.

BWhitmore was trying to be helpful giving you the pinout of the American headlights. Your post isn't clear if you're working on a Euro and converting to Euro lights, or if you have a US spec car that you're converting to Euro lights. If the latter, you need to know what the wiring is so you can properly convert it. Before getting nasty at someone trying to help, give a bit more information to help exclude information that may or may not pertain to your particular situation. You never know, that person may hold the answer to one of your future questions and simply withhold it.
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Your symptoms point to the fact that you have it wired wrong. If the switch is off, you can't get 6V unless you have the wiring wrong, or you have a wiring fault.

BWhitmore was trying to be helpful giving you the pinout of the American headlights. Your post isn't clear if you're working on a Euro and converting to Euro lights, or if you have a US spec car that you're converting to Euro lights. If the latter, you need to know what the wiring is so you can properly convert it. Before getting nasty at someone trying to help, give a bit more information to help exclude information that may or may not pertain to your particular situation. You never know, that person may hold the answer to one of your future questions and simply withhold it.
Thank you so very much for the reply!

Please don't take this as arguing, but trying to gain clarity and understanding.

That doesn't make sense, as the pins on the Depo lights did not change.

I know from memory yellow is low beam, white is high, gray with green is fog lights, and brown is ground. That is the D.I.N. standard.

The thought had was how about the headlight switch? Got one in the 300 could pull in the afternoon.

So Depo and Hella make U.S. lights? And people swap from Euros to U.S.? Good grief, see couldn't think of anyone doing that, so assumed was clear going from U.S. to Euro headlights.

Good point, never knew someone would be vindictive. I am naive in think everyone is nice and will continue to be nice.
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:42 PM
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What is the back history on this car? Why are you replacing the lights? Did the old ones work properly? If so, it's highly unlikely the switch is at fault. Usually the switch will fail on or off, not partially.

Reading "fake" or low voltages such as 6V on a 12V system is usually an indication of leakage due to crossed wires, bad grounds, or miswiring.

Grounds are a particularly common sources of frustration on these cars.

Unfortunately not everyone is "nice" in the real world. This forum seems to be filled with delightful and helpful people (quite different from other forums I've read!), but you never know when someone can misread something and take offense, or when your statement carries a very different connotation than you intended. Written word on the Internet lacks tone, inflection, and facial cues so sarcastic or jovial feedback often comes across as derogatory or as a "put-down".
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Old 01-03-2017, 06:05 PM
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What is the back history on this car? Why are you replacing the lights? Did the old ones work properly? If so, it's highly unlikely the switch is at fault. Usually the switch will fail on or off, not partially.

Reading "fake" or low voltages such as 6V on a 12V system is usually an indication of leakage due to crossed wires, bad grounds, or miswiring.

Grounds are a particularly common sources of frustration on these cars.

Unfortunately not everyone is "nice" in the real world. This forum seems to be filled with delightful and helpful people (quite different from other forums I've read!), but you never know when someone can misread something and take offense, or when your statement carries a very different connotation than you intended. Written word on the Internet lacks tone, inflection, and facial cues so sarcastic or jovial feedback often comes across as derogatory or as a "put-down".
She has her own thread, but sure.

She is from Frankfort Germany and the only visible Federalizing is the speedometer and the headlights. Thus one reason why swapping from U.S. to Euro.

Don't know how the U.S. were, as drove only once on a clear night and didn't think to look. Though do know the flash of high beam didn't work and the light was really dim.

My thinking also on the leak.

So clean the ones on the fenders?

Yes, understand the difficulty of Autism. Only able to get help about a year ago and only once a week.

So these -> "" don't work?

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