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Old 01-11-2017, 11:59 AM
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No worries Rick, although I can't take the credit for the marked up diagram, someone else's useful handy work.

Have a look at this thread regarding tank vents (this is a 123 but relatively similar)

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I could see that happening if a vacuum was pulled into the tank but my situation is just the opposite. pressure is building.If I open the fuel cap on the tank a burst of air rushes out and if the tank is full a bust of diesel gushes out!
There were times that while driving the car if I were to come to a stop the engine would quit running but I could re start it.
For that past few weeks or so I have been driving the car with the fuel cap screwed on only half way (not tight) to allow the air to escape and this solved the engine stalling problem.
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Old 01-12-2017, 12:24 AM
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You should not be getting pressure in the tank with a clogged tank vent, vacuum yes pressure no. How fast does the pressure build? Are all fuel lines routed correctly? Which line has air bubbles and why do you think the bubbles is the cause of pressure in the tank?

Have you unclogged the tank vent yet? That should have been the first thing to do.
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You should not be getting pressure in the tank with a clogged tank vent, vacuum yes pressure no. How fast does the pressure build? Are all fuel lines routed correctly? Which line has air bubbles and why do you think the bubbles is the cause of pressure in the tank?

Have you unclogged the tank vent yet? That should have been the first thing to do.


The pressure will build within 10/15 minutes of driving. I believe the fuel lines are routed correctly only because I have not touched them. The line going from the lift pump up to the fuel filter is the one where I can see bubbles. I am not saying that the bubbles are the cause, it is just something that I noticed after taking a closer look with a very bright flash light.
I will unclog the tank vent as soon as I Figure out where it is located.
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Old 01-12-2017, 10:48 AM
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Here's some info on your tank vent 93 300D 2.5L Turbodiesel Power Loss

Take it out, you should be able to blow into it from either end. If not, it is clogged. I'd soak and agitate it in hot soapy water till no more dirt comes out and you can blow through it.

This may help with the pressure stalling the engine problem but you should still find out why you are getting pressure in your fuel tank.

You should post pics and videos of the air bubbles and fuel leaks, neither should create pressure in the fuel tank but should be addressed and fixed. I do not own a W124 (I have a W123). Yours has a fuel heater and elec idle control but a similar arrangement of a mechanical lift pump with a pre filter and secondary filter.

Edit: After taking off the tank vent, put an extension hose to the vent line and blow into it to make sure the line is not clogged also.
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Here's some info on your tank vent 93 300D 2.5L Turbodiesel Power Loss

Take it out, you should be able to blow into it from either end. If not, it is clogged. I'd soak and agitate it in hot soapy water till no more dirt comes out and you can blow through it.

This may help with the pressure stalling the engine problem but you should still find out why you are getting pressure in your fuel tank.

You should post pics and videos of the air bubbles and fuel leaks, neither should create pressure in the fuel tank but should be addressed and fixed. I do not own a W124 (I have a W123). Yours has a fuel heater and elec idle control but a similar arrangement of a mechanical lift pump with a pre filter and secondary filter.

Edit: After taking off the tank vent, put an extension hose to the vent line and blow into it to make sure the line is not clogged also.
How do I gain access to the tank vent, from the trunk?
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It should be under the car, at least that where they are located on my W116 and W126 300 SDs.
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Old 01-17-2017, 09:38 AM
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How do I gain access to the tank vent, from the trunk?
Have you found it yet? As Alec said, it should be under the car. Did you open the link I posted? The diagram shows the tank vent routing clearly.
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I can understand vacuum forming in the fuel tank. As the fuel is consumed in the engine, that volume must be replaced by air which can only enter via the vent system.

I don't understand how pressure can be produced. How can the fuel pump (lift pump, injection pump) add air? Is an air leak on the lift pump intake side allowing air to be introduced, which is then pumped into the fuel tank?
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Old 01-18-2017, 11:46 AM
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I can understand vacuum forming in the fuel tank. As the fuel is consumed in the engine, that volume must be replaced by air which can only enter via the vent system.

I don't understand how pressure can be produced. How can the fuel pump (lift pump, injection pump) add air? Is an air leak on the lift pump intake side allowing air to be introduced, which is then pumped into the fuel tank?
Certainly an interesting problem. I was going to suggest, after he unclogs the tank vent, to place a balloon over it and observe how fast it inflates, then take the balloon off and sniff it's content, which may give a clue.
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Have you found it yet? As Alec said, it should be under the car. Did you open the link I posted? The diagram shows the tank vent routing clearly.
No I did not find it yet and yes I did open the link (thank you for that) I can't see much from laying on my back looking up. I may have to take it to a garage that has a car lift.
Last night I filled the tank with fuel and stopped before it started coming up the fill pipe then I put the fuel cap on and backed it off some which has solved the engine stalling problem. This morning I started the car and let it warm up for about five minutes and noticed a 24" diameter puddle of fuel on the driveway, I looked under the car and could see fuel dripping from a hose that I think is an over flow tube that runs up to and under the fill cap.
I can understand that a clogged vent would cause this because the pressure has to escape from somewhere and I do plan on inspecting the vent but sure am having a hard time figuring out what is causing the pressure.
I ordered a new lift/feed pump and I doubt that is the problem but I thought it might be worth a try.
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Old 01-22-2017, 03:44 PM
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The low pressure fuel lines can be purchased as new parts. The whole group will be around $100. Be sure to get the crush washers for the return line from the IP, this is still an old school banjo bolt connection.

The trick for the connectors:
The horseshoe needs to be free floating in the center of its travel for the connector to be locked. To unlock the connector, push the back of the horseshoe (imagine the part you would grip if you were to toss a full size one) towards the center. This pushes two internal tabs which release the connector from the port.
I'm not able to remove the fuel lines from the lift pump. I pushed the connector all the way in then pulled up as hard as I could on the fuel line and it will not come off.
What am I doing wrong?
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Old 01-23-2017, 07:28 AM
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I'm not able to remove the fuel lines from the lift pump. I pushed the connector all the way in then pulled up as hard as I could on the fuel line and it will not come off.
What am I doing wrong?

Give the pipe a twist while pulling, it needs to be vertical and not angled as tight fit.
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Old 01-23-2017, 07:46 AM
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I'm not sure what additional info. you are asking for. The car is a 1995 E300
All information needs to be in your profile up on the right hand side of your post. So that when other members are viwing it know how to answer ,and help you . .Its blank ,nothing about your car or engine type. Hope you sort out the problem .This pressure can screw up the tank, like a crushed bear can as all the air is sucked out of it .
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Old 01-23-2017, 10:17 AM
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I bet it is vacuum, not pressure in the tank.

Pressure in the tank wouldnt affect the vehicle running.

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