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Diseasel300 03-10-2017 08:54 PM

If you're jumping the starter solenoid and hearing the glow-plug relay click, you have bigger fish to fry. Definitely something isn't right because the glow plug relay and starter motor wouldn't be energized together unless you had someone holding the key to the "Start" position. If that set of contacts is open, the glow-plug relay shouldn't be common with the solenoid switch lead.

vwnate1 03-11-2017 11:00 AM

It's Simple :
 
You're ignoring the basics and chasing your tail .

If the starter sometimes works but not when you jumper it directly at the solenoid, the solenoid is bad plain and simple .

All the other things may or may not need attention further but you're wasting time here .

HarvAMG 03-22-2017 01:12 PM

Here is a video to show everyone what is going on. It explains much better than words:

https://youtu.be/p7XmFciooeo

HarvAMG 03-28-2017 05:17 PM

Bump. Anyone have any input on the video above? Stood outside in the rain for 20mins today with the screwdriver and the starter finally turned. Need to get this fixed.

Diseasel300 03-28-2017 05:20 PM

How many times do you have to be told you have a bad solenoid before you replace it? You can wish a problem away, but it isn't going away unless YOU do something about it!

HarvAMG 03-28-2017 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diseasel300 (Post 3696035)
How many times do you have to be told you have a bad solenoid before you replace it? You can wish a problem away, but it isn't going away unless YOU do something about it!

So based on that video above, you can 100% say that is a bad solenoid?

Diseasel300 03-28-2017 05:29 PM

Solenoid or motor. You've eliminated everything else by using the screwdriver. Since you have the solenoid clicking, but not pulling in all the way (clunk), it would seem highly likely that the solenoid is your culprit. The only way you're going to find out is to replace the solenoid, or the whole starter. Your choice.

HarvAMG 03-28-2017 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diseasel300 (Post 3696037)
Since you have the solenoid clicking.

That's not the solenoid clicking. That's the glow plug relay clicking on the other side of the bay. Everytime I hit the key or jump it with the screw driver, the relay clicks.

Diseasel300 03-28-2017 05:35 PM

If you're manually jumping the solenoid and it isn't pulling in, look no further.

HarvAMG 03-28-2017 05:41 PM

That settles it then. Thanks.

funola 03-28-2017 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diseasel300 (Post 3696039)
If you're manually jumping the solenoid and it isn't pulling in, look no further.

Only true if the grounds are sound.

HarvAMG 03-28-2017 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funola (Post 3696043)
Only true if the grounds are sound.

They've been checked and cleaned a thousand times over.

HuskyMan 03-28-2017 07:04 PM

Just checked the date of your first post; it appears you have been into this issue for over two months and counting. I'd challenge you to take a piece of paper and start logging the number of hours you have spent and are spending. It would look something like this:

1. Monday, posted on peachparts forum for two hours.
2. Tuesday, climbed under car and checked solonoid and wiring 1.0 hour.
3. Wednesday, posted on peach parts forum for 1.5 hours.

You get the idea; now total up the hours and multiply by 50 as in 50 dollars per hour. Your time is worth a minimum of 50 dollars/hour. In addition there are 168 hours in a week. You've been at this around nine weeks so take nine times 168 = 1,512 hours you've gone without the use of a reliable car.

This is why perhaps taking the car to a competent auto electrical repair shop might be a GREAT investment of your time and money. In two hours they may figure out what you haven't figured out in over two months.

If you do take it in, be sure and ask what their basic diagnostic fee is, then hold their feet to the fire on it.

Some years back, I used to know the owner of a very competent auto electric repair shop. His specialty was Mercedes; he could figure out a problem in one hour that would have taken me WEEKS to figure out. He told me German Electrics are not easy to diagnose...........

HarvAMG 03-28-2017 07:30 PM

Husky, that would be a great idea if the issue was constant. It might go weeks without having a no start. I'm not going to let it sit at my mechanics that long and my mechanic doesn't want a car taking up valuable lot space for something that might not happen for a month.

diesellac 03-31-2017 07:02 PM

I had a similar situation like post 45.
Turn the key to start, the the starter would click but no crank. Then I'd jumper it and it would start right up. Then turn off the ignition and turn it to start and it would start right up. Changed the ignition and solved the problem.

Not necessarily your problem, but giving you another idea. You can always try rigging a remote starter switch to see if the ignitions the problem.... just an idea


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