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Old 06-10-2017, 04:18 PM
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Do tell. A Mercedes Tech at a dealership in CO said that the W211s were great.....you can do all sorts of mods. w/ the star system. Since I didn't have a way top do it, I didn't ask for specifics. Now I'm curious.....

Thanks for the heads up. Wonder if anyone would be willing to rent theirs out?

Wonder if there are other settings that can be changed? Also, why disable: Hot Countries setting?

The A/C system only has so much cooling capacity, all the "Hot Countries" setting(s) do is excessively ramp up the engine cooling fan and interior fan with the A/C on. Also, the set temp is adjusted 2-4? degrees lower then displayed giving an illusion of colder air. I did keep the engine fan (separate ACC menu setting) min speed at 40% vs. the standard 25% for better A/C performance when idling or in stop and go traffic though.

Here is Mackhack's Star Diagnosis Modifications list for the E-Class W211/CLS W219:

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Air Conditioning:
– Turning on the HVAC to show the fan speed when on Auto
– Enable MAX COOL (Thermotronic only) in display
– Enable RECIRC on at speeds lower than 30 km/h / 8 mph
– Switch to Hot Country for faster cooling
– Enable “Hot Country” Level 2 for more cold air faster
– Change to allow fan speed adjustment on defrost
– Change amount of basic air circulation
– Change setting of outer air circulation position flaps
– Enable AC-OFF setting in combination with defrost and/or auto. Defrost off = AC Off (Default defrost off = AC On)
– Set stationary heater setting to “custom”
– Air circulation without auto switch off

Cluster Instrument:
– Enable fuel tank capacity in cluster display
– Date and time in additional display page
– Activation of navigation and telephone menu after retrofit
– Deactivation seat belt beep and/or seat belt symbol
– Deactivation seat belt pictogram in display
– Activation trailer loss warning
– Change distance co-efficient after changed tire size
– Activation diesel pre-glow pictogram on diesel engine vehicle
– Deactivation of “Please refill” pictogram on facelift models when reaching 1/2 of tank reserve
– Deactivation of engine control lamp
– Activation of engine fault pictogram
– Activation/Deactivation of battery control unit warning pictogram (comfort function level 1)
– Activation/Deactivation pictogram “Power Lock Emergency Unlock Active” after accident/rollover
– Deactivation of particle filter (Diesel vehicles only)
– Activation “Curvmatic” (Navigation/CI tells you verbally/visible that you’re approaching a curve too fast)
– Audio Menu (Station or Frequency change via steering wheel up/down button)
– Activation of “Fold-in Mirror” menu on MY2005 vehicles
– Adjusting of fuel consumption display
– Deactivation “Remove Key” pictogram and/or beep
– Deactivation “Switch Lights Off” pictogram and/or beep
– Deactivation “SOS Warning Message”
– Activation “power spikes pictogram

COMAND NTG1:
– Activation “Curvmatic” (Navigation/CI tells you verbally/visible that you’re approaching a curve too fast)
– Activation of DVD/TV video in motion (ECE COMAND APS NTG1 only)
– Change “Follow up time” of auto shut off time
– AMG boot up logo
– Activation of navigation after retrofit
– Activation of telephone after retrofit
– Software update SW 28/08

Anti-Theft-Alarm:
– Activation after retrofit
– Change of country settings
– Change volume alarm buzzer
– Change volume lock/unlock buzzer
– Change count of beeps when locking
– Change count of beeps when unlocking
– Change count of beeps when locked but one door is incorrectly closed
– Deactivation of interior motion sensor when sunroof closes automatically when it rains

AIRmatic:
– Lowering
– Calibrating if car stands cricket

Lighting:
– Activation of both rear fog lights
– Activation of cornering lights (MY2004 and newer only)
– Change of turn-on instant of low beam at dawn
– Change brightness of foot well lights during driving (Elegance and Avantgarde only)

Sunroof and Doors:
– Activation of memory feature sunroof
– Activation “Sunroof closes automatically when it rains”
– Activation of “Close windows and sunroof” with infrared key
– Recalibration jam guard sunroof

Engine:
– Deactivation of catalytic converter when sports catalytic converter is put in
– Deactivation of second catalytic converter lambda sensor when sports catalytic converter is put in
– Reset of “Mass Average Adaptation Data” on OM642 engines (after Air Filter Replacement)
– Initializing of throttle valve when changed
– Increase MAX SPEED to 160 mph (AMG only)

Miscellaneous:
– Activation of Tire Pressure Loss Warning
– Activation of Euro spec headlights/taillights turn on when unlocking car
– Change volume of Parktronic
– Change interval of headlight cleaning system
– Activation of seat ventilation “Summer Opening” (driver and passenger)
– Recalibration of rain sensor
– Reset SBC brake counter

ESP/Brake:
– Enable SBC-S and SBC-H

AMG Only:
– Designo Sound: Deeper, more aggressive sound from your AMG Engine and Exhaust System


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interesting items......

Curvmatic is interesting. Did not know about this feature.

Activation of cornering lights would be great. I knew cars in Europe were supplied with these as part of the active curve illumination.

Wonder what "Enable SBC-S and SBC-H" is?

Can you really change count on SBC?
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Old 06-10-2017, 04:43 PM
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Chris, that's pretty cool, all the stuff you're able to configure.

Did you by any chance come across a good tutorial? Or did you have to figure things out on your own? I have poked my nose around but, thus far, can't seem to find anything.
Yes it is!

These systems don't come with instructions, but there are a number of tutorials out there across multiple forums and YouTube. It took me a week or so to get the basics mapped
out and fortunately the system has a simulation mode to explore. Here's a MBWorld thred to check out: Star Diagnostic How To DIY with lots o pics
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Old 06-10-2017, 05:15 PM
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interesting items......
Wonder what "Enable SBC-S and SBC-H" is?

Can you really change count on SBC?

SBC-Stop

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The system offers several additional functions besides a new braking behaviour, due to its electronic brain: In stop-and-go traffic the vehicle brakes automatically, when the foot is lifted off the accelerator pedal (“Traffic Jam Assist”). It can be engaged under 10 MPH, using the cruise control lever and switches off automatically at higher speeds. It remains active under 40 MPH. When engaged the instrument cluster indicates “SBC S”. One can also activate it on downhill slopes via cruise control, so the car won’t speed over the set limit. It was deleted starting with MY 2005.
SBC-Hold

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A “drive-away assistant” prevents the vehicle from rolling backwards or forward when starting on a hill or steep incline. A firm push onto the brake pedal, and the car remains stopped, even when taking the foot off the brake pedal, until the driver accelerates and the vehicle begins to roll. When it is set, the instrument cluster indicates “SBC Hold”.


I'm not sure about changing the actual count, but I know you can increase the limit. 2005 and later cars already have an increased (600K) limit though.
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Just ordered one from Gordysgadgets. He has another one for sale if anyone's interested.
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Old 06-15-2017, 08:38 AM
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Just ordered one from Gordysgadgets. He has another one for sale if anyone's interested.
Good deal. I got mine yesterday.

It was very well packed and the computer booted up with no issues other than it had lost the date/time.

I left it at the BIOS default date (early 2000s) but that did not allow Xentry to load.

I checked the authorization key and it was valid and noticed it said valid from xx.xx.2017 to xx.xx.2028.

Once I set the time to present day it worked fine in stand alone mode.

I have to go to my real job and make a living today, when I get back this evening I will tie it into my W210 and try to get online with it and let you know how it went.

Couple things to know:
- there is a file on the desktop that tells you a few simple rules. The biggest one is never put this system on the internet. To that end he has removed all network drivers from Windows. The Dell has a wifi on/off switch on the side, be sure to keep that off. And never plug the Ethernet cord into a network.
- There are a couple of batch files on the desktop, to be used for properly shutting down the MB backend systems. Be sure to use those instead of Windows shutdown command.
- The power adapter is not a genuine Dell adapter. I had one of these exact same Dell computers back in the day (ca. 2006) and this adapter feels like it's hollow inside compared to the proper Dell adapter, to the point I didn't feel comfortable plugging it in. Luckily I had an IGo adapter lying around, and I will use that instead.
- The computer comes with no backup media. I would recommend getting some image software and making an image of the hard drive for archival purposes. I am also looking into cloning the HDD onto a SSD (256 GB SSDs are dirt cheap now).
- It comes with the OBDII cord (for W211 and newer), the 38 pin cord (late 124/140/210) and the banana pin cable for early 124/201. And another cord that I can't identify, it is probably for the commercial truck engines.

Watch this YouTube, he goes through all the menus on the W210

https://youtu.be/QnDqY7b3Af8
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Glad to hear you're up and running, Jay_Bob. Mine will be here Tuesday.

Looking forward to any insights you have once you get to playing with it!!
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FYI Gordy says that sometimes Fedex removes the battery for inspection. If they do that, and if the BIOS battery is weak, it can lose the time/date.
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Old 06-15-2017, 01:54 PM
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Interesting and ominous warnings about using developer mode.

MB Star diagnosis DAS Developer Mode | MBStarTool.com Official Blog
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Thanks for that link Shertex!

Not directly related to the primary purpose of this thread, but you've gotta love the sentence I highlighted below:

"As a presumed DAS user you have probably learned already that there are number of functions that would logically belong to the software options, but they are missing from the regular DAS installations... ...The reasons for disabling these functions in the DAS setups seen at the dealership are very simple: firstly, risk associated with using them is too high to open these tools to (very often) under trained and rushing technicians; secondly, there are several legal obligations that put restrictions on what the dealer can do and what he can not – for instance, recoding tv-in-motion, airbags and emission-re lated systems fall into this category. Thirdly, electronically damaged components very often result in replacement, therefore repairing (recoding) would have adverse effect on spare parts revenue."

In other words, "Don't fix the problem with the computer module - screw your customer by selling them a new part."
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I checked the authorization key and it was valid and noticed it said valid from xx.xx.2017 to xx.xx.2028.

I keep changing mine back in to an early BIOS ( not windows ). So far it keeps working, later versions might keep track of the highest date in the SW and it may brick at some point of the SW vendor didn't change that function.

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Couple things to know:
- there is a file on the desktop that tells you a few simple rules. The biggest one is never put this system on the internet. To that end he has removed all network drivers from Windows. The Dell has a wifi on/off switch on the side, be sure to keep that off. And never plug the Ethernet cord into a network.
Yep, the system will phone home, mine did and I needed to run the setup SW again.

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- The power adapter is not a genuine Dell adapter. I had one of these exact same Dell computers back in the day (ca. 2006) and this adapter feels like it's hollow inside compared to the proper Dell adapter, to the point I didn't feel comfortable plugging it in. Luckily I had an IGo adapter lying around, and I will use that instead.
There are many power levels of Dell power bricks. The very small center pin is a serial data buss that tells the computer what wattage the brick is. Got to " power management " and it should show a wattage.

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- The computer comes with no backup media. I would recommend getting some image software and making an image of the hard drive for archival purposes. I am also looking into cloning the HDD onto a SSD (256 GB SSDs are dirt cheap now).
This might not work,it didn't on mine. The SW is locked to the HD serial number and likely some other identifying features to prevent copying.

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- It comes with the OBDII cord (for W211 and newer), the 38 pin cord (late 124/140/210) and the banana pin cable for early 124/201. And another cord that I can't identify, it is probably for the commercial truck engines.
The HD truck version is a round connector with 5 or so round pins in a non symmetrical pattern.
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Not directly related to the primary purpose of this thread, but you've gotta love the sentence I highlighted below:

" Thirdly, electronically damaged components very often result in replacement, therefore repairing (recoding) would have adverse effect on spare parts revenue."

In other words, "Don't fix the problem with the computer module - screw your customer by selling them a new part."

Not really, there is a vast difference between replacing " electronically damaged " components on a board and installing SW that the writer does not seem to understand.

Repairing an electronic module can be an iffy thing as some failures only occur at certain temperatures / vibration levels. The automotive environment is one notch below MILSPEC in terms of operating temperature and reliability. ( The next lower levels are industrial and consumer )

It is much more cost effective and less legally risky to replace the unit as new.
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I managed to get some time on the W210 last night with the computer just before the storms rolled in.

It works as advertised in the YouTube video I linked yesterday. I was able to make it blink the turn signals and it shows that the turn signals draw close to 5 A when lit. And I honked the horn, of course you have to go back into the menu to tell it to stop.

There are some online cautions about using a battery charger when in an extended session. I believe it, the battery dropped to nearly 12.0 V before I got done. The vehicle provides all the power for the multiplexer, and you also have to toggle the key on and off repeatedly as you go through the process, which also cycles your glow plugs.

Most of the W210 menu operations run through the HHT emulation software so it has to pull up a side window to load that. You can either click, arrow, or press the Fn keys on the keyboard to navigate through these menus.

I was reading around in the WIS and it makes mention of a feature on the non rain sensor equipped 210 wipers. If you have the switch on position II and you slow below single digit mph (like coming up to a light) the wipers automatically fall into intermittent mode until you speed up again. Or if you're already on intermittent then the time constant is increased. However my car does not seem to do this. There is a note in the WIS that says this feature may be disabled through version coding. I searched around the EIS and Front SAM menus and could not find any options to change this. Anybody seen or hear of this feature??

I did find the rain sensor equipped field, so if I ever figure out how to install a rain sensor then I know how to tell the OHP and SAM it's there. However from what I understand it requires a special version of the windshield with the lens factory bonded to the glass, plus the electronics that go behind the lens. So that may be a future project whenever it's time for a new windshield.

Also I would like to do the following, which I suspect are part of a version coding menu somewhere:
- change the dashboard clock to 24 hour mode (I prefer 24 hour time)
- change the outside temp and climate control temp displays to degrees C (keeping with the Euro theme, and to match the water temperature gauge)

If I get a chance to get connected to the W164 tonight or this weekend (it's trying to storm again tonight) then I will post more updates. Being that the W164 and the W211 share a lot of systems I am going to try to see if the flashing brake lights on hard braking option is there.
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Mine arrived today. Very well packaged, everything looks to be accounted for and in good condition. Boots right up with no difficulty. And everything fits perfectly in the case I had for my Dell D810.

I'll probably "wade around in the kiddie pool" of Xentry Simulator for a while before connecting it to one of my cars.
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Some early observations....while if you poke your nose around the Internet there are a lot of procedures that are documented, the navigation doesn't always match the menu structure on my car. This is exacerbated by fact that, as you drill down, things sometimes change from English to German.

Unbelievable tool, though.

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