Can the E.P.C. be trusted? - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Adriel · #1 06-21-2017, 06:47 PM

Trying to figure out what the two coper tubes threaded into the exhaust manifold, then join, head to the front, then cut and pinched off, were for.

Find nothing in the E.P.C., even more, shows that the manifolds that were there were different, in that having a casting for the E.G.R.. So, can the E.P.C. be trusted?

No where in the receipts do I find anything documenting this change or the equipment these pipes went to.

Any help greatly appreciated.

tyl604 · #2 06-21-2017, 06:50 PM

What vehicle?

Adriel · #3 06-21-2017, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tyl604

What vehicle?

'85 280TE from Frankfort.

Another thought, intake also doesn't have the port for the air from the E.G.R..

Going into the generic, looks like the only available is with an E.G.R., so wondering if due to general emissions standards. In other words, even if didn't come with an E.G.R. and need to replace the 1,2,3 exhaust manifold, must add an E.G.R.. Just a W.A.G..

97 SL320 · #4 06-21-2017, 07:42 PM

Parts drawings ( no matter the brand ) tend to be generic and can't be relied on for fine detail and they are sometimes reused across models. A shop manual will get you closer and real pics are the best bet.

Adriel · #5 06-21-2017, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 97 SL320

Parts drawings ( no matter the brand ) tend to be generic and can't be relied on for fine detail and they are sometimes reused across models. A shop manual will get you closer and real pics are the best bet.

Thank you!

Sorry not clear. In the E.P.C., if not an option for the vehical, model, year,... then it is greyed out and will not show the part number or description. Been trying for about 45 minutes to get the E.P.C. to work again, otherwise could get you the direct quote.

Don't I know that diagrams are useless! The worse is Temomat. Refuses to show any relationships, even in the description. Meaning, can't build a parts list to add the accessory.

Side note about Temomat. If you look in the E.P.C., suggests the first generation, which is a canister with a Bowden cable. However, there is no part to connect it to the linkage. Worse, on the W123 230s (which plenty of pictures) they used a second generation.

There is no mention of Tempomat in the F.S.M., nothing. Go online looking for pictures, nothing. So, based on the lacking in the E.P.C., F.S.M., and no pictures, looks like not an option. Bizarre considering the M110 was the most expensive engine option for the W123.

As for the piping, again, never seen it in the E.P.C., F.S.M., or in pictures. Have not been able to contact the P.O., so no help there. Not even a Mercedes Certified Mechanic before the era of W123 though the W124 has ever seen anything like it.

So, if anyone has information or picture(s) on either, be greatly appreciated!

sixto · #6 06-21-2017, 08:31 PM

Are you using US or international EPC? US won't have good coverage of non US models like a 280TE. If these cooper tubes are emissions equipment, they might not be OE if the car was federalized by an independent shop.

Sixto
83 300SD can be yours
98 E320s sedan and wagon

Adriel · #7 06-21-2017, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sixto

Are you using US or international EPC? US won't have good coverage of non US models like a 280TE. If these cooper tubes are emissions equipment, they might not be OE if the car was federalized by an independent shop.

Sixto
83 300SD can be yours
98 E320s sedan and wagon

Not sure, using the V.M. version.

As far as know, not emissions equipment.

You think Mercedes-Benz drill and tap both manifolds, use crude fittings, bent tubing? Further, not in the E.P.C..

Not sure who Federalized as not in the receipts. From about 1989 to 1995, I.I.R.C., receipts missing. Emissions test results only go back to 2000, so no help there either.

What be nice is if Washington State had record.

resto108 · #8 06-22-2017, 01:23 PM

I thought a 280 TE was gas powered. Maybe someone in another forum knows about copper tubes on exhaust manifolds.

Adriel · #9 06-22-2017, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by resto108

I thought a 280 TE was gas powered. Maybe someone in another forum knows about copper tubes on exhaust manifolds.

The Tech Forum seems basically dead for anything older than about '86 model year, nothing much happening for the W123 gasoline vehicals. Had my build thread on there for months before a question was answered (still waiting on another question). Here, get way more help and good answers.

This was in regards to the E.P.C., therefore seems general enough it belongs here where has more use?

Adriel · #10 06-23-2017, 06:42 PM

Another example: E.P.C. shows that the K-Jetronic does not have a cold starting valve.

dude99 · #11 06-23-2017, 10:05 PM

You might have some luck if you post pictures of the copper tubes. We might be able to figure it out for you.

Graham · #12 06-25-2017, 09:37 AM

It is not always easy to navigate EPC. The emission control system should be in the same section (14) as the exhaust manifolds, but sometimes where you actually find things doesn't make total sense!

This is a link to the groupings: https://epc.startekinfo.com/epc/group_system.jsp

If the car has been modified/federalized, epc won't of course be much help even using the VIN. To find the factory egr installation, perhaps look up a different US car with same basic engine?

Adriel · #13 06-25-2017, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Graham

It is not always easy to navigate EPC. The emission control system should be in the same section (14) as the exhaust manifolds, but sometimes where you actually find things doesn't make total sense!

This is a link to the groupings: https://epc.startekinfo.com/epc/group_system.jsp

If the car has been modified/federalized, epc won't of course be much help even using the VIN. To find the factory egr installation, perhaps look up a different US car with same basic engine?

Graham, took me an entire day, but literally went through every page, not just what the drop down suggested.

Actually, be anti-Federalizing.

Assuming the E.P.C. is correct (despite the option codes) that she came from the factory with an E.G.R. exhaust manifold and intake manifold and then some point replaced with an exhaust manifold and intake without an E.G.R. setup.

What help is the emissions standards in '85 for Frankfort.

Adriel · #14 06-25-2017, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dude99

You might have some luck if you post pictures of the copper tubes. We might be able to figure it out for you.

Dude, thank you.

The intent of this was the manifolds, not the pipes. Further, looked where thought they were (removed them when pulled the engine) and not there. Almost dark and late, so maybe in the morning recall.