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Old 07-07-2017, 12:29 AM
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The end of diesels?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/videos/do-you-want-a-car-that-lasts-a-million-miles/vi-BBDOkfs

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Old 07-07-2017, 07:47 AM
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All very excellent points indeed.

However, my om606 has 439k on it now and I'll do my best to make it a million miler!

I will be more than happy to take this rascal to my grave lol

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Old 07-07-2017, 10:46 AM
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The points that the narrator brings up are the typical FUD that keeps getting rammed down our throats time and time again.

How about the big one - environmental sustainability. Which pollutes more? An old car on the road kept in a decent state of tune, or scrapping that car and building a new one? The damage done to the environment by scrapping/recycling/building new is astounding! The old car can run for years before it even approaches the amount of pollution and waste created by that process. An automobile used to be considered a "durable good" and for good reason.

Autonomy and inter-car connectivity? Please... Some of us actually ENJOY driving. Next time you're with a group of friends and going somewhere, pay attention to who all wants to drive, I'd be willing to bet just about everyone there will offer at some point in the conversation.

Let's also not forget that the repair shops and garages need work. If everyone just recycles their car every time it's boring or outdated, their work suffers as well.

Call me boring, nostalgic, or old-fashioned. I'll ignore your comments and continue driving myself in cars that I enjoy and plan to keep for long periods of time.
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The points that the narrator brings up are the typical FUD that keeps getting rammed down our throats time and time again.

How about the big one - environmental sustainability. Which pollutes more? An old car on the road kept in a decent state of tune, or scrapping that car and building a new one? The damage done to the environment by scrapping/recycling/building new is astounding! The old car can run for years before it even approaches the amount of pollution and waste created by that process. An automobile used to be considered a "durable good" and for good reason.

Autonomy and inter-car connectivity? Please... Some of us actually ENJOY driving. Next time you're with a group of friends and going somewhere, pay attention to who all wants to drive, I'd be willing to bet just about everyone there will offer at some point in the conversation.

Let's also not forget that the repair shops and garages need work. If everyone just recycles their car every time it's boring or outdated, their work suffers as well.

Call me boring, nostalgic, or old-fashioned. I'll ignore your comments and continue driving myself in cars that I enjoy and plan to keep for long periods of time.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:58 AM
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The points that the narrator brings up are the typical FUD that keeps getting rammed down our throats time and time again.

How about the big one - environmental sustainability. Which pollutes more? An old car on the road kept in a decent state of tune, or scrapping that car and building a new one? The damage done to the environment by scrapping/recycling/building new is astounding! The old car can run for years before it even approaches the amount of pollution and waste created by that process. An automobile used to be considered a "durable good" and for good reason.

Autonomy and inter-car connectivity? Please... Some of us actually ENJOY driving. Next time you're with a group of friends and going somewhere, pay attention to who all wants to drive, I'd be willing to bet just about everyone there will offer at some point in the conversation.

Let's also not forget that the repair shops and garages need work. If everyone just recycles their car every time it's boring or outdated, their work suffers as well.

Call me boring, nostalgic, or old-fashioned. I'll ignore your comments and continue driving myself in cars that I enjoy and plan to keep for long periods of time.
One more thing, these type of statements are made by dudes with man buns and skinny jeans. The dude that gets a mani-pedi and wears mascara. Heaven forbid her gets a little grease under them nails.You know, the same guys that lost their man cards shortly after puberty lol.



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I'll never willingly participate in a throw-away society. Constant manufacturing and disposal of goods is a bad system for the environment, even though many "environmentalists" want you to believe otherwise.

I'll still be driving my 300SD or an even older car in the next few decades. I'm not going to be pushed around by others' agendas. My philosophy is "the simpler, the better". I want a vehicle of which I have full control at all times and is a joy to drive. Something in which I can create memories. I want things that will last more than a lifetime. I'll never own anything newer than what I have now.

Plus, cars used to be FUN. They are getting boring, boring, boring... and not even comfortable to drive or with any usable cargo space. Also, what's with all the STUPID design ideas like putting turn signal bulbs toward the center of the car instead of on the corners where they can be seen, or even worse, not even in the main lens assembly, but way down at the bottom of the bumper and extremely small so they aren't where you are looking for them, and possibly obscured by the car behind them's bumper?
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Old 07-07-2017, 06:53 PM
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guys, we're the lunatic fringe that likes getting dirty and wrenching on an obscure German diesel that's over 30 years old.

face it. we live in a throwaway society. people who can't afford to buy new cars do so all the time because they want something new...or the carpets are dirty etc etc

i love love love the predictions that in 10 years we wont be driving. it's hilarious. im an EE and work in the electronics industry developing connected devices...its going to be a looong time before that sees the light of day in more than 0.1% of the fleet. it took car companies many years to transition away from tape decks, and about 8 years to put 1/8" inputs in car stereos for iPods.
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Speaking of ,theirs a very nice w116 at the lkq yard here in Houston ,the car is a nice lite blue paint which looks like it just got out of the paint booth,shame .Squigel ,you can bet that was a hard decision for the owner, no money to fix = no toys.https://www.lkqpickyourpart.com/locations/LKQ_Pick_Your_Part_-_Houston_SW-239/recents/

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The argument this guy makes is basically that we shouldn't keep cars for as long as possible because 1) our short-attention span, disposable-mentality selves shouldn't want to, and 2) car manufacturers and government regulators really want us to "turn over the fleet" despite the fact that the enormous burden of cost would fall squarely on us. No thanks!
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i love love love the predictions that in 10 years we wont be driving. it's hilarious. im an EE and work in the electronics industry developing connected devices...its going to be a looong time before that sees the light of day in more than 0.1% of the fleet. it took car companies many years to transition away from tape decks, and about 8 years to put 1/8" inputs in car stereos for iPods.
I know! It seems to be the latest buzz in technology/automotive circles, and I keep seeing all these articles about how the entire industry is going to be upended so quickly and disrupted (making comparisons to how Kodak was not prepared for the advent of digital photography, nor Nokia prepared for smartphones, etc.). I read one article claiming we'd all be riding around in self-driving cars by 2025 or something!

To some extent, I think the idea that it might happen more rapidly than we think holds water. But I don't think the manufacturing capacity even exists to effectively replace all the cars on the road within the next 10 or 20 years. I'll tell you one thing for sure - they're gonna have to drag me kicking and screaming out of the driver's seat!
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People who care about their own economy is the parties driving 30 yr old diesel cars and trucks ,the new parts that keep it driving are for the rest of the economy.Its about car manufacturers building a better leverage on consumers.Their will be a time where they will have a complete recycled car system ,you are governed to dispose of on x date or x miles ,Japan is a model for such rigid structure.Other owners pay through the noise to keep any vintage pieces through fees.I imagine their working on some way of wedging them out of existance ,our wishes be damned.
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The points that the narrator brings up are the typical FUD that keeps getting rammed down our throats time and time again.

How about the big one - environmental sustainability. Which pollutes more? An old car on the road kept in a decent state of tune, or scrapping that car and building a new one? The damage done to the environment by scrapping/recycling/building new is astounding! The old car can run for years before it even approaches the amount of pollution and waste created by that process. An automobile used to be considered a "durable good" and for good reason.

Autonomy and inter-car connectivity? Please... Some of us actually ENJOY driving. Next time you're with a group of friends and going somewhere, pay attention to who all wants to drive, I'd be willing to bet just about everyone there will offer at some point in the conversation.

Let's also not forget that the repair shops and garages need work. If everyone just recycles their car every time it's boring or outdated, their work suffers as well.

Call me boring, nostalgic, or old-fashioned. I'll ignore your comments and continue driving myself in cars that I enjoy and plan to keep for long periods of time.
Well said, I also expect to drive my 300D until the end. I only drive about 2K miles per year. So, scrapping it and buying new is antithetical to the 'environmental conservation' dogma.

On another note, Volvo will no longer make the typical gasoline engines after 2017 I believe. Only hybrids and electric cars are to be made.

In San Francisco, car repair commercial spaces are being shuttered in favor of condos, thus leaving blue collar folks with less job opportunity and driving up expenses for living and auto repair.

In Calif, next year the extra tax on vehicle value (like VAT tax) goes into effect upon each registration. So, buy a new car and pay more tax each year. Life gets more expensive... yeah they are all about "the people".

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The points that the narrator brings up are the typical FUD that keeps getting rammed down our throats time and time again.
x2, been hearing chicken littles say the sky is falling and diesel is coming to an end for 30 years now. Yawn. Too many chicken littles like the sound of their own voice.
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Well, excuse the hail out of me. I though I was on the diesel discussion section of this forum. I got drunk and stumbled into the politics and religion section on accident.

Can someone please loan me a map just show me the door?

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