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Old 05-16-2018, 12:49 PM
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Never underestimate the impact of poor grounding either. Crappy grounds are very common on these cars and any resistance anywhere in the circuit will skew the sender/gauge accuracy.

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Old 05-16-2018, 01:20 PM
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I bought several fiberglass pens to clean IC board for soldering. They remove the surface corrosion on board. They may not be abrasive enough to clean the wires but they clean contact well.
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Old 05-16-2018, 02:27 PM
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Never underestimate the impact of poor grounding either. Crappy grounds are very common on these cars and any resistance anywhere in the circuit will skew the sender/gauge accuracy.
I ran a new ground line from the cluster to the bolts behind it. Didn't do much, unfortunately. Soldering a small wire from the post of the fuel gauge to the round body stopped it from bouncing. Temp gauge still flickers from time to time.

Seems unlikely the float would fail, so I must be missing something in the cluster.
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Old 05-16-2018, 04:17 PM
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I ran a new ground line from the cluster to the bolts behind it. Didn't do much, unfortunately. Soldering a small wire from the post of the fuel gauge to the round body stopped it from bouncing. Temp gauge still flickers from time to time.

Seems unlikely the float would fail, so I must be missing something in the cluster.
I have a hunch if you fix the flickering temp gauge, it will also fix your fuel sender issues.
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I ran a new ground line from the cluster to the bolts behind it. Didn't do much, unfortunately. Soldering a small wire from the post of the fuel gauge to the round body stopped it from bouncing. Temp gauge still flickers from time to time.

Seems unlikely the float would fail, so I must be missing something in the cluster.
I still favor a high-resistance connection somewhere in the circuit, not necessarily a ground.

Although the factory diagrams may lead you to believe otherwise, the gauges don't work on 12V. Most gauge systems work on either a regulated 10V or 5V. There is always a miniature voltage regulator built somewhere into the dash pod or the gauge itself. If the regulator fails, the gauges can read incorrectly or erratically. There are no replacement parts or DIY instructions, but if you can figure out where the regulator is, you may be able to either recap it or cobble together a replacement with a 7805 or 7810, depending on the voltage requirement. The attached photo shows a 124 guage regulator. If it went bad, I'd take a stab at replacing the big capacitor. This particular pod also has a mystery rheostat which possibly is there to allow fine adjustment of the power supply.
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Old 05-16-2018, 04:34 PM
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I still favor a high-resistance connection somewhere in the circuit, not necessarily a ground.

Although the factory diagrams may lead you to believe otherwise, the gauges don't work on 12V. Most gauge systems work on either a regulated 10V or 5V. There is always a miniature voltage regulator built somewhere into the dash pod or the gauge itself. If the regulator fails, the gauges can read incorrectly or erratically. There are no replacement parts or DIY instructions, but if you can figure out where the regulator is, you may be able to either recap it or cobble together a replacement with a 7805 or 7810, depending on the voltage requirement. The attached photo shows a 124 guage regulator. If it went bad, I'd take a stab at replacing the big capacitor. This particular pod also has a mystery rheostat which possibly is there to allow fine adjustment of the power supply.
This sounds interesting... I'm fairly certain there's something up with the gauges themselves. This hasn't been a favorable hypothesis around here. The number of ancillary wires and solder I've had to run back there is beyond absurd.

I'd happily replace that part of the cluster if I was able to find another for a reasonable price...
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Old 05-16-2018, 11:03 PM
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@Shern ;

You say no fungus yet your very first photo clearly shows fungus.....

You also didn't test the gauge properly like I told you how to so you have no idea what's what vis - a vis the sender / gauge head .

Stop jumping around and follow the proper steps, you'll get where you want to goo much sooner .
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@Shern ;

You say no fungus yet your very first photo clearly shows fungus.....

You also didn't test the gauge properly like I told you how to so you have no idea what's what vis - a vis the sender / gauge head .

Stop jumping around and follow the proper steps, you'll get where you want to goo much sooner .
You’re right. Seems like the most obvious diagnostic.
Re: fungus, I suppose there was a minor amount of sludge but I blew that away with brake cleaner, ran startron, pulled tank strainer and ran my fingers along the bottom of the tank (pretty clean).

Will perform your diagnostic.
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I know I've been pushing Startron hard for a long time but I recently read about BiBor JF right here, trotted out and bought a jug, WOW ! it did the job in two tank fulls, I've been struggling with Startron for over a year now and always had this tiny little bit of fungus I couldn't *quite* kill / get rid of .
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I used a combination of startron and bio-kleen (power service product). Guess one suspends the water and the other kills the bugs.
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Okay Nate -pulled the sender last night and did the test. Gauges are perfectly in sync with the float level. Full range of movement, etc. Cleaned and reinstalled. So either the gauge is faulty, or the float isn't floating as it should be.

Am I missing anything else?
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Old 05-27-2018, 12:24 AM
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Nope ~ if you cleaned it and it works properly when tilted by hand, you should be good to go .

I've never heard of a Mercedes fuel sender float 'sinking' although it happens on other brands .
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Old 05-27-2018, 02:25 AM
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Nope ~ if you cleaned it and it works properly when tilted by hand, you should be good to go .

I've never heard of a Mercedes fuel sender float 'sinking' although it happens on other brands .
Low fuel light came on about 20 miles ago so I refueled this eve: 13.8 gallons. My understanding was that the low fuel light came on around the 2 gallons remaining mark. Out of a 17 gallon tank, it came on a bit early no? My MPG is a bit down as well... calculated about 23.8 mpg which is way low for me.

Between the mild air incursion and the operating temp of around 79/80 something is eating my fuel. Possible it's time for a new thermostat. Possible I need to figure out where I'm getting air into the fuel lines. (Likely a combination of the two). Very frustrating...
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I hear the frustrating part .
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Low fuel light came on about 20 miles ago so I refueled this eve: 13.8 gallons. My understanding was that the low fuel light came on around the 2 gallons remaining mark. Out of a 17 gallon tank, it came on a bit early no? My MPG is a bit down as well... calculated about 23.8 mpg which is way low for me.

Between the mild air incursion and the operating temp of around 79/80 something is eating my fuel. Possible it's time for a new thermostat. Possible I need to figure out where I'm getting air into the fuel lines. (Likely a combination of the two). Very frustrating...
Two possibilities I can think of.
1. Collapsed tank
2. Wrong sender. I.e. too short

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