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Old 12-31-2017, 10:26 AM
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Not saying dirt and grime isn't a contributor to the problem, but this bolt is *IN THERE*. The torque spec is only 45nm which is not all that tight in the grand scheme of things, but this sucker laughed at a 24" cheater handle. I'm pretty sure this is the original water pump and original fan clutch, so if that's the case they've had 31+ years to become one with each other.

The lack of clearance is a serious hinderance too. I fail to understand why Mercedes couldn't have slipped a nut behind the clutch like - oh I don't know - EVERYONE ELSE. Putting an Allen (which I've learned to HATE since working on this car) in a high debris/heat/vibration area is just asking for trouble, especially when providing only about an inch of clearance to get to it. I'm on board with using XZN for replacement, I hate Allens with a passion.

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Old 12-31-2017, 10:38 AM
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I doubt Diseasel300 made the novice mistake of not cleaning it out first.

Other novice mistakes:

1. Break loose a fastener by applying steady torque. Don't do that! You want to impact the breaker bar with your palm or a mallet.

2. Having the Allen bit off center.

I have stripped my share of Allen heads even taking all the precautions. They are just an old and inferior design. I got the stripped Allens out by hammering and forcing an XZN bit into the Allen and got them out every time. I think it works better than Easy Outs (I do not own any).
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I was almost there myself in my SDL. Someone had rounded out most of the Allen bolt in a prior attempt. Fortunately, I could get just enough of bite and was able to pop it loose.

When I inquired about a replacement bolt at a local McParts store they insisted I had to buy a water pump to get it...

The replacement bolt from the Mercedes dealer is a T55 Torx, if I recall correctly, and they had one on the shelf.
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Old 01-06-2018, 08:27 PM
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To answer the original question of this thread:

If the head rounds out, forget extracting it in the car. The water pump can be removed with the clutch/pulley/fan still attached. The bottom bolt is a pain to get to, but it's doable with a box end wrench.

I pulled the radiator, airbox, and rubber intake tube. To give access to the bolts on the water pump, I had to remove the belt tensioner. A 1/4" ratchet got out all but 2 of the water pump bolts.

The water pump itself appears to have been original. It's branded Lazo and says it was made in W. Germany. That kind of dates it! Bearings are most certainly done - when spun it makes the most horrible growling and squealing noises. Fan clutch is a newer Behr, the front of which has quite a lot of oil built up on it.

Getting that bolt of though. Sheesh. Tried hammering the Torx bit in, rounded out the head. Tried using an Easy-out, wound up rounding out the head more. I welded a 9/16 nut to the bolt head using the MIG welder and it broke off. Ground it down, welded it again, and it broke a 2nd time. Tired of that crap, I whipped out the stick welder and did a proper welding job. This time it held, but required the use of a bolt extractor, a breaker handle, and a 3' cheater handle to get it off. There is no way that bolt was ever coming out with the Allen bit, no possible chance.
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:20 PM
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Is that the Irwin bolt extractor kit?
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:23 PM
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Is that the Irwin bolt extractor kit?
Yes it is. Worked like a pro on this job. You can see how much it mangled the bolt I used it on, that's how tight that sucker was in there.
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What a mess!

Well done getting it out, quite a job.
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:32 PM
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Yes it is. Worked like a pro on this job. You can see how much it mangled the bolt I used it on, that's how tight that sucker was in there.
Good to know, I bought one a while back and have not used it yet.
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Old 01-07-2018, 08:22 AM
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Good to know, I bought one a while back and have not used it yet.
The Irwin in set is good... the snap on set is best.

Irwin has huge body sockets with external sides for a wrench.

Snap on set is very svelte but only has socket connectors, so it can be used in tight spaces.
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Old 01-07-2018, 08:26 AM
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I have same set,and easy outs also.Never leave home without it.
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Old 01-07-2018, 08:34 AM
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Just speaking from my personal experience with 2 different OM60x engines, if the bolt was in there that tight, it was not factory. Especially since you said the fan clutch looked recent (assuming before your time with the car).

Either someone cross threaded or massively overtorqued that bolt in the past.

Both of my OM60xs have had their fan clutch/fan replaced and the Allen bolt came out with just a L shaped 8 mm hex key with a 1/4 drive 8mm socket on the long end in a nut driver handle. I used a HF Pulley Tool to provide the counter hold.

In both cases the bolt was snug but nothing like what you found.
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Old 01-07-2018, 10:19 AM
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The water pump is factory and certainly looks it inside. The fan clutch I'm not sure about. Looking at the Bimetal I pulled out of it yesterday, it's relatively clean and has a surprisingly clean Behr sticker on it. I am leaning towards the clutch being replaced at some point before the car was parked and Dope-O the Clown buzzing that sucker in there with a rattle gun. This is why I work on my own cars...
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:50 PM
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Mine was factory and was VERY tight. I had cheater bar on a high quality Allen key and bounced a hammer off the bar a bunch of times before it cracked loose....but I was sweating bullets the whole time that it would strip.
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The replacement bolt from the Mercedes dealer is a T55 Torx, if I recall correctly, and they had one on the shelf.

Mercedes also changed to a torx head T55 for the 606 engine in my '98 e300. I bought one from a Mercedes dealer when I changed my fan clutch a year or two ago. Either by design or accident, that bolt also accepts an 8mm hex socket. I used the 8mm stubby socket made by Stahlwille (a Mercedes tool part no. 103 01 98) which I bought from Samstag to put it in my car. (The Mercedes parts salesman told me I could use an 8mm socket when I bought the torx head bolt.) You have to use a stubby socket, because there is so little clearance between the radiator and the bolt.
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Good to know, I bought one a while back and have not used it yet.
May that forever continue to be the case.

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