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Old 02-05-2018, 09:59 PM
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I didn't end up going outside today because it is so cold but honestly, that does make sense. Even if the ring ripped, it would let oil through, not diesel. I need to do a better test to figure out where this leak is from.

Thanks for all the help guys seriously.
Actually the pressurized Oil feeds the tappets inside of the Fuel Injection Pump. After that it is more flow then pressure as well as gravity that flows it out of the Fuel Injection Pump.

So those 2 O-rings on the element are there to keep the Fuel in.

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Actually the pressurized Oil feeds the tappets inside of the Fuel Injection Pump. After that it is more flow then pressure as well as gravity that flows it out of the Fuel Injection Pump.

So those 2 O-rings on the element are there to keep the Fuel in.
Which 2 O-rings, you are confusing me a bit here.
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Old 02-06-2018, 02:21 PM
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Would you recommend any special wrenches or will regular/flared wrenched work fine?
Crow's foot is what you need, either get a nice metric set that you will use for a long time, or a cheapo set from Harbor Freight and don't put too much torque on them beyond what you would do with a box-end wrench.
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Old 02-06-2018, 02:33 PM
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I didn't end up going outside today because it is so cold but honestly, that does make sense. Even if the ring ripped, it would let oil through, not diesel. I need to do a better test to figure out where this leak is from.

Thanks for all the help guys seriously.

I believe there is another O-ring that seals the bottom of the Element and it is likely suck down inside at the bottom of the Fuel Injection Pump Housing.
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I believe there is another O-ring that seals the bottom of the Element and it is likely suck down inside at the bottom of the Fuel Injection Pump Housing.
Is there any reason there is such conflicting information regarding these pumps? I cannot get a solid answer on what is inside these injectors and pumps haha.

From my research over the past week, I am almost certain that any fuel leak I am having is going to be inside the delivery valve. It can't be the o-ring I posted before because oil would leak there, not diesel.

Now the question is where do I order those seals? From what I read there is only a copper crush washer? Could it be possible my OM617.950 has those rubber o-rings?

Thanks for all the help guys! I am sure I am annoying you with stupid questions.
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:41 PM
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On my OM603 and OM606 engines: 004-997-45-40 Delivery valve copper washer

I don't know if your car uses the same part, I think the odds are very good that it does.
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On my OM603 and OM606 engines: 004-997-45-40 Delivery valve copper washer

I don't know if your car uses the same part, I think the odds are very good that it does.
I literally was reading through some threads and JUST ordered those locally because they said it was the same. I am hoping this cures my leaking fuel. I am going to do this on the weekend in my garage.
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Old 02-19-2018, 08:29 AM
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I literally was reading through some threads and JUST ordered those locally because they said it was the same. I am hoping this cures my leaking fuel. I am going to do this on the weekend in my garage.

UPDATE: So I ordered those copper o-rings from mercedes and they work great! However, I still have the leak lol. I will take another video and post it up later this week.

I will say after replacing the copper o-rings and cleaning up the area, the car idles much smoother.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:41 AM
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Keep us posted .

I was unable to get the new 14MM copper crush rings from The M-B Classic Center, they claimed 'obsolete' so I used some from Amazon, they're not -quite- the exact size but using the torque wrench ensured no leaks .
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Keep us posted .

I was unable to get the new 14MM copper crush rings from The M-B Classic Center, they claimed 'obsolete' so I used some from Amazon, they're not -quite- the exact size but using the torque wrench ensured no leaks .
I used part number I found in another thread. They look to be very close in size to what I had in there. What is the torque spec suppose to be btw?
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:09 AM
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I don't rightly recall, it's fairly tight, I'm sure someone who's near their FSM will kindly post the correct value of NM and Lb. Ft. shortly .

The ones I bought from Amazon too were very close in size .
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Old 02-19-2018, 03:52 PM
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Is there any reason there is such conflicting information regarding these pumps? I cannot get a solid answer on what is inside these injectors and pumps haha. ...
The answer was already given - almost nobody here has ever dove in beyond simply removing the delivery valves, and most only did that on #1 for the "drip timing" test. The youtube video cautions not to touch the 2 nuts and plate on each injector circuit.

First, insure the leak isn't coming from the injector tubes. It is common for them to crack at the round joint, though usually that is only on the engine end. If sure you must dive into the "2 nuts & plate you shouldn't touch", I suggest photo-graphing and/or marking the plate locations and religiously documenting the shims. I would try to use Viton O-rings for any replacements, since last longer than nitrile (buna-N). HF sells a kit or ebay.

My guess is that the Bosch calibration is to adjust each until you get equal flow from all 5 circuits. To do so under the shade-tree, you might put tygon tubes to beakers to test this while cranking the engine over. Testing under back-pressure might be important, in which case you might need to install injectors in the air. Weighing each beaker (less tare weight) would be more accurate than using the marks. I did similar for my fuel injected gas cars, using a cheap set of small glass beakers from Big Lots and an electronic scale from HF. Good luck and please report back w/ photos to help others. No shame in trying and failing, since much better than commenting without ever swinging a wrench. I would also guess that after 300,000 miles, the initial calibration is long history and re-adjusting an IP would help bring back a smooth idle, but just guessing. You can be the pioneer.

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