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Old 04-22-2018, 05:35 PM
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om606 w210 intermittant starting issue

Weather here has been in the 40s to mid 50sso i have been driving the car more lately and i noticed an issue. If i turn the key to glow plug on and then to crank it crank before the glow plug light is off it will crank every time. If i wait to turn the key once the light is off, i might have to cycle the key 2 or 3 times before it will crank. So i dont know if this is a sign of the glow plug relay failing or another part of the start circuit going bad? Or is this normal based on my outside temp?

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Old 04-22-2018, 10:24 PM
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Pulled the k40 block and reheated most of the larger solder joints. Seemed to take care of my issue for now.
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Old 04-22-2018, 10:54 PM
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I had a starting problem with my 99 E300D. When I would turn the key to position 1 or 2 everything was normal. Then after the glow plug light went out I would turn the key to start the car and nothing would happen.

I'm not sure if your problem is the same.

The problem I had was with the ignition switch. I needed to have the dealer replace it so they could program the switch to my car and key. I have not had a problem since and its been at least 5 years ago.
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Old 04-23-2018, 01:02 AM
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I had a starting problem with my 99 E300D. When I would turn the key to position 1 or 2 everything was normal. Then after the glow plug light went out I would turn the key to start the car and nothing would happen.

I'm not sure if your problem is the same.

The problem I had was with the ignition switch. I needed to have the dealer replace it so they could program the switch to my car and key. I have not had a problem since and its been at least 5 years ago.
Can you share what the dealer charged for this repair? Just curious for comparison for when I take mine in.

I have the exact same symptom on my '98. It's intermittent and happens maybe every 3rd or 4th time I drive the car. After glow plug light goes out, turn key to start and -nothing-. Take key out, re-insert, try again, fires right up.

I thought the electrical portion of the ignition switch would be easy to replace and not require a dealer trip, no? I was planning to buy this part, but I didn't think it required any re-coding? Sounds like I should let the dealer sort this one out.
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Old 04-23-2018, 06:40 AM
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I had a starting problem with my 99 E300D. When I would turn the key to position 1 or 2 everything was normal. Then after the glow plug light went out I would turn the key to start the car and nothing would happen.

I'm not sure if your problem is the same.

The problem I had was with the ignition switch. I needed to have the dealer replace it so they could program the switch to my car and key. I have not had a problem since and its been at least 5 years ago.
Yeah that was the symptom I was getting but if during light on glow plug cycle I turn to crank it would start. If I went to crank after the light went out I would get nothing. Also question for you, can you remove your key with gear shifter in neutral?
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Old 04-23-2018, 09:16 AM
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Can you share what the dealer charged for this repair? Just curious for comparison for when I take mine in.

I thought the electrical portion of the ignition switch would be easy to replace and not require a dealer trip, no? I was planning to buy this part, but I didn't think it required any re-coding? Sounds like I should let the dealer sort this one out.
https://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/SuperCat/3742/MBZ_3742_ELIGNT_pg2.htm
I was able to dig up some info on my problem, it was December 2010. I don't have the cost but it was definitely under $1000 for the switch and labor. I'm sure it's something you could call and get a price from the dealer.



Here is a note I found from an email describing my problem:
When the car does not start there is no ground coming out of pin 17 from the ECM (N3/7). It is very easy the check this. Put an ohm meter on pin 2, connector I on the K40/4 relay. This ground excites the coil of relay k2 on the K40/4 relay. This relay controls the starter. When the car does start there is a ground coming out of pin 17 from the ECM closing the k2 relay, powering the starter.

If you perform this check and have the same results I would replace the ignition switch.


Another note I found was trying a different key. By any chance did you try a different key?
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Old 04-23-2018, 11:19 AM
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This morning i tried the cold start and it was fine with both keys since i reflowed solder. I did notice one key seems to have a better fit than the other. I'm going to order a new key shell off ebay and swap the guts.
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Didn't want to start a new thread, so I'm adding to this one. My 96 E300 developed a "no start" issue after sitting for a couple of weeks. After the plugs were glowed, turning the key would spin the starter but the car wouldn't start. Then I noticed the red light in the rear view mirror. (NOT GREEN AND RED ALTERNATING). I researched everywhere I could think of and saw nothing about a flashing red LED without the green one flashing. At any rate, it seems that flashing of these lights is related to the immobilizer and the K40 relay.

I saw several posts and watched videos on youtube about the bad solder joints in the K40, so I pulled it and re-soldered most of the connections. When I re-installed the K40, the car did start after plugs were glowed, but then threw "ETS" and "ABS" warnings and after a few minutes it quit running too. So, I ordered a new K40 relay online for $110, hooked it up and we are all systems go again. I honestly think that we should start of list of parts to "Just replace it" so you don't get stranded somewhere in the future- starting with fuel lines, then the K40, etc...

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