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Old 06-09-2018, 11:36 PM
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Much weight in the rear for the on-road emissions test shown in post 23. All they need is a sensor to note the rear suspension sag and program the engine controller to run the "pass emissions" control profile. Oops, that would also be "cheating".

I am not particularly a M-B or a diesel lover, but when I first heard of the "cheating" scandal, my first thought was "very creative". They were just playing the game as the rules were defined, which is what capitalism and competition is about. It was the EPA's fault for establishing loose parameters. They were treated like someone "counting cards" in BlackJack who gets kicked out of a casino. It isn't cheating, but the casino has the right to "refuse service to anyone", as does the EPA.
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Old 06-11-2018, 01:44 PM
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2017 suit against GM for defeat devices apparently going back to 2011. I have not found any current info. Given it is being driven by " truck owners " I'd think this is a shakedown to get $$ more than anything else.

GM Accused of Cheating on Diesel Engine Emissions Tests | Fortune
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:46 PM
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I find it interesting that GM, Ford, Jaguar, Land Rover and a few others are able to build 2018 model year US and California compliant diesels without cheating. Why is that?
Add BMW to the list too! 2018 diesels in stock at my local dealer. Might be one in my future for the wife.
That will bring over 30 years of MB diesels in my family to an end. Plus we haven't owned a gas car since 1986!
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Maybe because some use blue fluid for exhaust and others don't?
Didn't MB invent that tech? VW refused to buy it and thus they had to cheat.
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Didn't MB invent that tech? VW refused to buy it and thus they had to cheat.
No. VW used DEF in it's heavier V6 diesels from the get go. VW refused to use it in it's smaller 4 cyl cars because it adds cost, complexity and eats up the little trunk space in a Golf. Mercedes cheat involved using too little DEF than necessary because customers were having to refill the tank too often.
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Prove it.
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It's pathetic that Mercedes Benz resorted to cheating because it's saved them a little bit of money. Mercedes, VW and Fiat/Chrysler, BMW (in Europe only) and PSA have been caught cheating.
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Mercedes has been accused of not following regulations but not convicted. There is a culture of venomous hate from regulators regarding diesel. It stems from the rabid climate change folks.
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Old 06-14-2018, 05:36 PM
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I've not heard that before.
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... There is a culture of venomous hate from regulators regarding diesel. It stems from the rabid climate change folks.
If true, they are confused. Climate change is about reducing net CO2 emissions, i.e. digging carbon from the ground and burning it to CO2, as fossil fuels do. In CA, we can buy Propel's Diesel HPR which is produced from bio sources, so no "net CO2" is produced. Many imagine e-cars (Tesla, Bolt, Leaf, ...) are zero-emissions, but most electricity is produced by burning hydrocarbons. They dream of a world of wind turbines and solar power, but still small producers. Some of the same fussers are to blame for nuclear plants closing, dams not being built, and Freon being replaced by R-134A, which is much worse than CO2.
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Mercedes has been accused of not following regulations but not convicted. There is a culture of venomous hate from regulators regarding diesel. It stems from the rabid climate change folks.
Mercedes pulled they're cheating products off the US market and issued recalls for 770,000 existing cheating diesel vehicles in order to avoid a $4.4 billion fine. Mercedes has admitted to their guilt and has been convicted. The only difference between VW and Mercedes is MB didn't try to lie and cover up their cheating after they got caught.

VW's biggest crime wasn't cheating. It was the cover-up.
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I've not heard that before.
Because it's bull ****.
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