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More bad news re Mercedes Diesels
Looks like another diesegate may be brewing
http://europe.autonews.com/article/20180528/ANE/180529775/daimler-faces-scrutiny-of-mercedes-vito-c-class-diesels-paper-says Daimler | Mercedes-Benz Parent Linked to Diesel Defeat Device | WardsAuto Quote:
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I find it interesting that GM, Ford, Jaguar, Land Rover and a few others are able to build 2018 model year US and California compliant diesels without cheating. Why is that?
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Maybe because some use blue fluid for exhaust and others don't?
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MB uses the same DEF as everybody else. The only ones that claimed they could do without was the 4 banger vws.
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Hasn't Mercedes ceased diesel car sales in the US already, citing low sales?
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Yes unfortunately 2016 was the last M/Y for any diesel MB in the USA. A true tragedy since I feel it is a superior engine technology and you can’t beat the fuel economy and the torque. Everyone compares the cost of running gas vs diesel but they forget that every MB made (except for a single year of one of the W201s that I can’t recall at the moment) requires Premium fuel, which in most areas of the country is more expensive than diesel. Even if premium is more expensive than diesel then you still have 25% better mileage on diesel than gas.
So is there anyone on here with experience with the VW issue, was that a mandatory buyback (i.e. did the government force you to turn your car into VW and receive a check) or were you allowed to keep it if you wanted to? Just curious if they are coming for my 2014 ML350, my wife will be severely upset, she loves that vehicle and does NOT want a gas burner. I heard there are hundreds of thousands of TDIs parked in the Mojave waiting for a settlement, and then a software update, and then VW plans on selling them as used cars. I am hoping some sanity can come back to the EPA, and we can get the unobtainable standards relaxed to where we can reasonably produce these cars without having to resort to unreasonable technology chasing the last bits of pollutants. I’m not saying we need to go back to the 60s where black clouds billowed out of everything but just back to where it’s sensible.
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The OM 642/722.9 powered family Still going strong 2014 ML350 Bluetec (wife's DD) 2013 E350 Bluetec (my DD) both my kids cars went to junkyard in 2023 2008 ML320 CDI (Older son’s DD) fatal transmission failure, water soaked/fried rear SAM, numerous other issues, just too far gone to save (165k miles) 2008 E320 Bluetec (Younger son's DD) injector failed open and diluted oil with diesel, spun main bearings (240k miles) 1998 E300DT sold to TimFreeh 1987 300TD sold to vstech |
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The OM 642/722.9 powered family Still going strong 2014 ML350 Bluetec (wife's DD) 2013 E350 Bluetec (my DD) both my kids cars went to junkyard in 2023 2008 ML320 CDI (Older son’s DD) fatal transmission failure, water soaked/fried rear SAM, numerous other issues, just too far gone to save (165k miles) 2008 E320 Bluetec (Younger son's DD) injector failed open and diluted oil with diesel, spun main bearings (240k miles) 1998 E300DT sold to TimFreeh 1987 300TD sold to vstech |
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Blame the victim much? Ford, GM, Jaguar, Land Rover, Nissan, Hyundai all offer compliant diesel engines in the US without MB/VW style cheating. Tell me more about these "unobtainable standards".
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I don’t know the real reason but I can take a wild guess. I think it has to do with fuel economy. Perhaps the fancy emission controls systems need extra fuel to burn off emissions or strategies like regeneration waste fuel.
The VW and MB cars have really remarkable mpg. And remember the cars can pass the environmental tests when the need to. So my gut is the engineers didn’t want to take the hit in mpg and performance.
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It was such a nice car. I averaged about 43 miles per gallon and sometimes saw up to 48mpg on a tank. That thing had the ability to go about 640miles on a single fill up. Way farther than my wife's bladder. It was super comfortable, quiet and reliable and quite quick. At the time VW took possession of the car for the buy back it had 178,000miles on it. I didn't want to give the car back to them but the $14,500 check they cut me was too much money to pass up as that was about double the price of what I could ever hope to sell it for.
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Who knows if they are cheating?
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They're cheating. Count on it. The others just have not been caught yet.
I read that VW is holding the unsold diesels, converting them to be legal and selling them as new cars with warranties for reduced prices.
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