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Old 07-02-2018, 04:25 PM
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VW dieselgate jetta wagons - any experience?

I've been test driving a few locally and just found a brown 2013 jetta sportwagen TDI with no sunroof, in manual, 37K miles, and the dieselgate warranty for another 6 years or 90K miles (it'll wind up being the years given how we drive). I'll pay $13K for it, and it seems like a good deal but I'd love any advice folks have!

For those that don't know, the dieselgate warranty actually covers a lot more than just emissions equipment - including the HPFP, turbo charger, fuel injectors, etc.


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Old 07-02-2018, 04:27 PM
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What's the MPG without cheat mode?
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Old 07-02-2018, 04:39 PM
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30/42 is what it says, but people routinely post 42-47 highway avg


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30/42 is what it says,

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The gasoline Jetta does 28/40 on 87 octane. 2 more mpg isn't going to pay for the diesel fuel premium.
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but people routinely post 42-47 highway avg
Is that with or without cheat mode?
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Old 07-02-2018, 05:18 PM
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I have a 2012 TDI auto wagon approaching 100,000 mi. It has performed flawlessly needing nothing from me for the last 40,000 mi except oil & filters. VW is giving me $15,000 for it in December so it will be sold. I couldn't find anyone that had anything bad to say about them when I was considering the purchase.

A friend of mine works for a large tech consulting company that has a lot of car industry clients. Supposedly word is that autos would be affected by the pollution re-flash than the standards. I would not hesitate to buy that car. This couple is keeping theirs because of low mileage and straight shift.

Strange how you are buying for less than what VW is buying mine for. You could punch in the VIN and back date the purchase date so you'd be eligible for the buy back and see what the amount is. Just ask your phone what the cut off date is.

I opted for a 15 Volvo V60 with 20,000 mi as a replacement. The Volvo is an upgrade in build & comfort. My intent is to sell it when close to 100,000 mi. I'm tired of having 5 vehicles licensed with 3 of them needing work. No more projects allowed in the door.
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Old 07-02-2018, 05:36 PM
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Thanks Junkman! This car had already been bought back and fixed I believe (at least phase 1 of the fix), so I don't think I'm eligible, right? My wife said if I sold my 240D that I could take this car......it is tempting!

Also, not concerned about diesel cost, just like the engines and torque application. Not sure what you mean by cheat code, but I have read crap all over the board - I don't think phase 1 of the fix had any real effect on mpg.


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I wouldn't sell the 240 because it has a soul. The VW is only a car to me even though it works well and hasn't caused problems. There are people that buy them to play. VW gave me a $500 prepaid that got spent on an alignment, oil & filter change and battery. Not much service from the dealer reminded me why I like to do my own wrenching. You are not eligible for the buy back. That ended 2 days after I bought my car back in Dec 2015 I think was the date - but it's gone now.

I did buy a Ross-Tec HEX-V2 that will be for sale. You'll want it if you get the car.
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Old 07-03-2018, 01:50 PM
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In my jetta sportwagen 2013 six manual I tend to drive as fast as I can without attracting the speed cops attention, around here that will be 80 on the interstate. At those speeds I will get in the high 30s. Drive at 60 to 65 it will deliver over 40. around town never less than mid twenties unless I let it idle a lot in severe weather. I decided to get mine made legal but have not gotten around to it yet.....Or I might sell it. Nice car.
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In my jetta sportwagen 2013 six manual I tend to drive as fast as I can without attracting the speed cops attention, around here that will be 80 on the interstate. At those speeds I will get in the high 30s. Drive at 60 to 65 it will deliver over 40. around town never less than mid twenties unless I let it idle a lot in severe weather. I decided to get mine made legal but have not gotten around to it yet.....Or I might sell it. Nice car.
Is that with or without the cheat mode? The used TDIs VW is selling now had the cheat mode removed at the expense of fuel economy.
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Old 07-03-2018, 02:39 PM
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Either way we don't all by diesels for the mileage. The drivability of a diesel is unmatched. Not having to downshift for a hill climb is one great example! But then again if milage is your only concern then I guess I can see your point
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Either way we don't all by diesels for the mileage. The drivability of a diesel is unmatched. Not having to downshift for a hill climb is one great example! But then again if milage is your only concern then I guess I can see your point
Some modern turbo charged small displacement gasoline engines can match diesels for low end torque and fuel economy. I just don't see the the appeal of new diesels anymore. They are horribly complex and expensive to maintain with little fuel economy or torque advantage vs the equivalent of gasoline engines. You have to really want a diesel just because.

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Old 07-03-2018, 03:10 PM
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Some modern turbo charged small displacement gasoline engines can match diesels for low end torque and fuel economy. I just don't see the the appeal of new diesels anymore. They are horribly complex and expensive to maintain with little fuel economy or torque advantage vs the equivalent of gasoline engines. You have to really want a diesel just because.
I own one of those small displacement gasoline engines. It's great, I still would like a diesel for towing and heavy torque applications. Modern diesels in trucks and suvs still make a lot of sense.
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Either way we don't all by diesels for the mileage. The drivability of a diesel is unmatched. Not having to downshift for a hill climb is one great example! But then again if milage is your only concern then I guess I can see your point
My wife (before we met) bought a new 1984 Jetta diesel. Her reason for buying ; "It was the only white Jetta they had."
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Volkswagon went for power for the north American marketplace. I expect the model that gets close to a hundred miles per gallon. Probably on the imperial gallon.


Why no attempt to market them here? While plenty were marketed in Europe. My 1985 and 1986 turbo diesels where adequate enough with the manual transmissions. Plus easy and cheap to repair and fairly durable.


Today even if you save some on fuel milage. As repairs are needed. They tend to be expensive. Rapidly displacing any money saved on fuel. There are cars that are more or less trouble free over the period of ownership. In general Volkswagon usually is not one of them.


Some Volkswagons do well and some much less so. When things go wrong with them they tend to be very expensive to rectify. On a cost per mile basis with long term ownership. The better Japanese cars do far better.
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:03 PM
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I own one of those small displacement gasoline engines. It's great, I still would like a diesel for towing and heavy torque applications. Modern diesels in trucks and suvs still make a lot of sense.
In trucks absolutely, especially if you spend a lot of miles towing. That's where diesels will do well for years to come.

The funny thing is there's a lot more new diesel models available for sale today in the US than back in 2015 when VW got caught cheating.
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