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Old 07-06-2018, 10:38 AM
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As 123s become really scarce with time. In general really older cars in decent condition eventually increase in value at least to some degree.. For example I doubt you will locate a fintail in good condition for peanuts anymore.

Some time ago good restoration work even if doing it yourself has become expensive. What is a really nice four door fintail worth today?

I really do not know but the scarcity of them and availability factor is already present.

They where never purchased in bulk when new like many American big three cars of the sixties and put into storage. Being held for hopefully eventual big dollar prices.

In my case I never purchased what I have car wise as an investment. I just liked the cars well enough I wanted a few. Plus to eventually give them to grandchildren.

What they do with them will be up to them. One of my younger brother in laws has mentioned a few times. He would like to have a 240 we have. It may find a new home with him.

Car collector sources have warned over the years that there are fairly high numbers of certain 1960 American car models kept in storage as investments.
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Old 07-06-2018, 11:01 PM
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Yep, it has kind of crept up over the years. When I got my 240d 13 years ago there were many cars to pull parts from at Pick and Pull. Now I do an online search and Iím lucky if I can find a 126.

The four doors are cheaper. I must say Iím not buying these things to make money like air cooled Porsche collectors. I fix mine up just well enough to be reliable daily drivers. Still Iíve put a good $5000 in parts alone into my SD and Iíll never get it out by selling it. I need to drive it out.

Iím way ahead of my brother in his late model Focus...in a number of ways not just money. I wouldnít drive a Focus for three times as much money.

I think Iím going to buy a 123 four door. Theyíre good value for the money. It doesnít matter that I cannot resell it for a profit. Iím in this for inexpensive high quality machines. I want a good car, I donít need an investment. The fact theyíre cheap on Craigslist (the ones that actually move, not the dreamers) means Iíll never get my money back. But then again I can have a presentable 4 door for under $3000 that I can drive the heck out of for a few years.

This is why I feel really out of place at pelicans coffee and cars. Iím kind of a bottom feeder of the automotive world. My SD looks odd parked around the ďtoysĒ the other guys show. This is my only car and it serves me everyday as a grocery getter, people mover and commuter.

That said this is all slowly going away. On a related note, as much as I hate seeing all the URO parts forsale online today, Iím really happy itís out there as opposed to NLA. We are much better served than the 80s BMW, Volvo or Peugeot market.
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Old 07-06-2018, 11:07 PM
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Old 07-06-2018, 11:50 PM
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Old 07-30-2018, 10:39 AM
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500E is JY fodder just like the rest of em. This one was in the Richmond PnP a few months ago.
Congratulations! You found one of the only E500E's to ever land in a self-service salvage yard in USA. But... "junkyard fodder"? That comment seems to indicate sour grapes about not being able to obtain one anymore... try to find one intact and running for under $10k today.

Here, this should provide some entertainment...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/323368148551

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?#listing=193305859

(For the record, I'm not implying the silver car is worth the asking price.)

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Old 07-30-2018, 11:25 AM
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I keep hearing this, but I don't see it. I'm still regularly finding W123s in the junkyards (although not as regularly as 5-7 years ago). I see W123s and W126s on the road pretty regularly. Some parts are getting hard to find, but not impossible. My rear view mirror is apparently NLA, but I was able to find a new one on eBay. The beauty of these cars is there is always some way you can patch them together.

In contrast, this is something I am trying to buy on my 20 year old Volkswagen. Nobody sells it in North America and I need to buy it from Germany, shipped to a VW dealer in Canada and then maybe a 2-3 week wait. Other than putting an aftermarket intake, there is no easy way to fabricate something like this.

https://www.volkswagen-classic-parts.de/schlauch-fc3a35.html

I would be in trouble if that was my daily driver. I have daily driven W123s for 8 years and never had a problem with parts availability. My car did get quite a bit of attention in Vancouver however.

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Old 07-30-2018, 12:06 PM
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Congratulations! You found one of the only E500E's to ever land in a self-service salvage yard in USA. But... "junkyard fodder"? That comment seems to indicate sour grapes about not being able to obtain one anymore... try to find one intact and running for under $10k today.

Here, this should provide some entertainment...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/323368148551

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?#listing=193305859

(For the record, I'm not implying the silver car is worth the asking price.)

Actually if you check with PnP, more than a few E500/500Es have gone through their crushers over the years. The problem is repairs for these cars often outweigh the vehicles value. But don't take my word for it, look for yourself. And no, I have no desire to own a slow 500E money pit. If I wanted a fast 4 door there's plenty of other options.

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Old 07-30-2018, 08:59 PM
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I agree they are becoming rarer and rarer, its because they have always been drivers cars rather than garage queens, so many succumb to wear, rust, crashes, etc.

I'd also argue that the new ones are not all built to a "price point". A car I just recently traded (2005 C240 wagon) covered 156k miles with virtually no non-maintenance repairs, no breakdowns....and had no rust on it, still good to go when I traded it in, in great shape.

I've acquired two MB's in the past year....a 2017 Metris (new), which is awesome, and a 2015 GLK250 diesel(used). Both are obviously much more complex than the old ones, but with that comes a dramatic improvement in performance and efficiency.

I still love the old ones, but the new ones are pretty sweet too! I will say that driving around in my GLK it feels much more solid than a W126, the body is like it was formed from a solid block of steel its so stiff. It weighs nearly 450lbs more than a w126 despite being smaller!
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:11 AM
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The reality is over time the worn down daily driven 80s w123s have been mileaged out ,used beyond the repair worth fixing due to drivetrain repair I'm sure .these needs usually put them into the yard for good..Ive been flipping w123s in Houston since 2004 and the yards were my source for parts ,a great decline upon us. 😔
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Old 07-31-2018, 11:21 AM
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I too don't see too many (if any) W123's in the yards around here anymore. Could that be because they are all in my yard? (over a dozen). But seriously, I think it is a matter of geography. Here in So. Cal, there were the ports are, millions of them came here from Germany during the 80's. Consequently, many of them stayed. I don't think a day goes bye, that I don't see an old MB Diesel car on the road (that isn't mine). Other areas of the USofA, you may go for weeks without seeing one. One good thing about there being many of these cars left in this area, is that someone like me that has many parts/cars, always has someone in need of parts. Having the stash of parts/cars, has served me well. Mostly for my own fleet, but also for many other MB enthusiasts in the area. The other side of the coin: I would like to retire someday (soon), and would like someone else to take on the care and feeding of this hobby (collection of cars and parts).....Rich
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Old 07-31-2018, 12:57 PM
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Just for reference, the inventory of our Pull A Part here in town, this is all MBs all years...

All newer than 123/126, all gas powered

Most of the vehicles that end up here are probably on their 3rd or later owner, probably bought at the Buy Here Pay Here lot, driven until they failed, since many of these are not wrecked (or had a minor fender bender).

Here in Columbia there are a lot of people who think that image is more important than function (think flashy chrome rims, outrageously large tires, 4000 watt stereos, neon, etc, but the car runs like crap and on the verge of breakdown), so they get a cheap 15-25 year old MB at the BHPH and drive it until something fails that would cost more than the car is worth, (or get into a fender bender), sell to P-a-P, go back to BHPH lot, rinse and repeat. If you watch Live PD you can see some fine examples of this...Columbia is Richland County SC.

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Old 07-31-2018, 03:15 PM
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I think a lot of that comes down to supply with the original owners. Southern California had a ridiculously large number of these when they were new. I should take some photos of traffic in Newport Beach sometime. It can be difficult to find cars on the road at times that are not Mercedes.

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Old 07-31-2018, 06:14 PM
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I think a lot of that comes down to supply with the original owners. Southern California had a ridiculously large number of these when they were new. I should take some photos of traffic in Newport Beach sometime. It can be difficult to find cars on the road at times that are not Mercedes.

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Yes, Orange County is a Mercedes-Benz Mecca. However, around here (So. Cal) a W123 in a wrecking yard is few and far between.
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Old 08-01-2018, 06:06 AM
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The Houston area must be of the same ring of fire to find these Mercedes of this vintage, in yrs past the shipping by Mercedes Benz of their vehicles to a large coastal port like Houston Gives cause to find them here in this area today,large population to purchase .
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Old 08-01-2018, 01:55 PM
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I don't know, there are probably a Dozen W123's within walking distance of my house... I just parked next to one at my office no less.
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