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vstech 11-25-2018 02:45 PM

I never had any issues with my original rely powering the pencils...
Just ran the #8 feed wire to each pencil and it worked fine for the 3 years I drove the car...

I did change the 50a fuse to an 80...

jsp300D 12-06-2018 10:48 PM

My original relay says 60A max. is that even enough for the quick glow plugs? These new plugs come from a G class....

jsp300D 12-29-2018 09:14 AM

well my glow light doesnt work after replacing the pencil style?

It glows really good compared to the old system.

bulb has been checked.

Anyone know how to rewire?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/q50bDy.jpg

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/iS9wuM.jpg

A more clear picture:

https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTk5WDc0O...FbY1RN/$_1.JPG

I guess I need to wire G and La together?

jsp300D 12-31-2018 09:47 AM

G and La will work but, lamp will go out after cut out will find timer relay.

tyl604 12-31-2018 10:48 AM

Sorry for the late response but it could be that all you need to do is adjust the valves and use lighter weight oil.

jsp300D 07-30-2019 03:37 AM

adjusted, 5w40 is light. Starts fine now. 10 secs wait and go.

Diesel911 07-30-2019 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jsp300D (Post 3864240)
Been measured (only one adjusted)

these pencils draw 15A each instead of 10A so relay cant handle it I guess.

When I tested the Pencil Glow Plugs on my 84 300D with an dash board type Amp Meter that had to be connected into the circuit when I first applied the current it pegged the gauge out at 60 amps which is as high as the gauge would go then as the tip of the Glow Plug to hot the amperage fell to about 16 amps and held steady.

Diesel911 07-30-2019 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jsp300D (Post 3864193)
Hi, I want to convert loop spiral to pencils as today I want to move my 300D and had a hard start (three cycles to start).

I want to keep the time of the original relay and will use a second relay to put more amps through the plugs.

Is this diagram safe to use ?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/YdW8gl.png

If you are going to use the Glow Plugs in the attached picture what you want to do is entirely safe.

Look like you plan to use the original Relay to activate a Ford type Starter Solenoid.

I am not sure if the original relay is going to function properly but I can't see you damaging anything. If the original Glow Plug Relay dose not work you can use a push button switch. That is what I did no my Volvo Diesel.

I don't believe the Starter Solenoid activation circuit need an 80 amp Fuse. On the activation circuit on the Volvo Diesel I used 16 gauge wire with no issues.

You won't need a 150 amp fuse because you it should use a 80 amp fuse.

A wiring diagram similar to what I used.

jsp300D 08-01-2019 04:33 AM

I don't need this, I am using external relay and timer. But, still thanks for the idea.

Diesel911 08-01-2019 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jsp300D (Post 3945790)
I don't need this, I am using external relay and timer. But, still thanks for the idea.

Well other people with questions will likely read this post at sometime and it could be helpful to them.

jsp300D 08-03-2019 09:45 PM

Here is a sample of mine conversion.

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Diagram voor aansluiten:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/WSHixt.png

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vwnate1 08-04-2019 12:34 PM

Glow Plug Variables
 
I'd get rid of that 120 ampere fuse straightaway .

I'd also solder every one of those crimp connections as they're going to get resistance over time......

All these diagrams are great ! they allow DIY'ers to choose the path they prefer and then do it correctly .

For me, using the original times relay makes the most sense because you're making it idiot proof .

vstech 08-08-2019 06:29 AM

80 amp fuse is fine.

Keep in mind, the stock relay is a LOOOOONG timer. Like 1.5 minutes...

Ya need like 30 seconds, except in sub zero temps... so be ready to crank soon.

jsp300D 08-15-2019 09:23 PM

at 30F - 10secs is hot enough to crank

vwnate1 08-16-2019 09:51 PM

Glow Plug Time Interval
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jsp300D (Post 3950491)
at 30F - 10secs is hot enough to crank

It really depends on your engine's internal health, the condition of the injectors, the IP's timing, the amount of timing chain stretch and so on .

I prefer my engine to start with one or two revolutions maximum .


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