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Father Of Giants · #**106** 03-13-2019, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxbumpo

The way I read it, he told the manager to treat him with respect, and he used hearing protection which was "against company policy" to save his hearing. Probably did a lot of other things right too.

Yup, and I got CHEWED OUT for using a torque wrench.Low brow shop.

tbomachines · #**107** 03-13-2019, 07:36 PM

Why do I feel like there is a lot more to the story...?

Father Of Giants · #**108** 03-13-2019, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

Why do I feel like there is a lot more to the story...?

I used a speed handle to drive the lugs and a torque wrench to finish, got chewed out. Simple as that, I disagreed with the manager but was shut down immediately by her.

That's all that happened.

engatwork · #**109** 03-13-2019, 08:00 PM

Chaulk it up to experience and move on.

Also, wear those ear plugs in noisy environments. I've been working in paper mills for 30+ years and can still hear because I make a point to keep plugs in anytime I'm in a noisy environment.

jake12tech · #**110** 03-13-2019, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Father Of Giants

I used a speed handle to drive the lugs and a torque wrench to finish, got chewed out. Simple as that, I disagreed with the manager but was shut down immediately by her.

That's all that happened.

Once you get experienced enough you can do it with an impact. If you also have a good impact gun you know hard to zip them in with an impact. You run them in by hand 3 threads with the socket and zip it on with the impact in the star pattern.

I was told to use a torque wrench repeatedly at Mercedes. The foreman threatened to write me up if I didn’t. I said to him, No, I know what I’m doing. If a wheel falls off and it was because I didn’t tighten the wheel enough I’ll eat the bill out of my check for damages. He said OK, fair enough. Never had a wheel fall off.

Much faster that way then using a speed handle and torque wrench. Time is money. Remember that.

ROLLGUY · #**111** 03-13-2019, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jake12tech

Once you get experienced enough you can do it with an impact. If you also have a good impact gun you know hard to zip them in with an impact. You run them in by hand 3 threads with the socket and zip it on with the impact in the star pattern.

I was told to use a torque wrench repeatedly at Mercedes. The foreman threatened to write me up if I didn’t. I said to him, No, I know what I’m doing. If a wheel falls off and it was because I didn’t tighten the wheel enough I’ll eat the bill out of my check for damages. He said OK, fair enough. Never had a wheel fall off.

Much faster that way then using a speed handle and torque wrench. Time is money. Remember that.

The problem I see with that method is that it is possible to get them TOO TIGHT.

jake12tech · #**112** 03-13-2019, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ROLLGUY

The problem I see with that method is that it is possible to get them TOO TIGHT.

Never stripped one out. Once it’s tightened down the impact it’s them 3 clicks and it’s done. But I see your thought process and know exactly how easy it could be overtigbtened.

ROLLGUY · #**113** 03-13-2019, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jake12tech

Never stripped one out. Once it’s tightened down the impact it’s them 3 clicks and it’s done. But I see your thought process and know exactly how easy it could be overtigbtened.

I see this done at tire shops all the time, and I have never seen the guy tighten a lug up to the setting on the torque wrench. It always clicks right away (tighter than the setting). If I had to use the factory lug wrench to change a wheel on the side of the road, I doubt that the lug wrench would work (not enough leverage to break them loose). If the tire guys would idle the impact so the lugs are a little more than hand tight, then the torque wrench will bring them to the PROPER torque, and no more. But again, they don't do it that way.

Mxfrank · #**114** 03-13-2019, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ROLLGUY

The problem I see with that method is that it is possible to get them TOO TIGHT.

That's how the lugs on my 210 were over torqued. Eight of them snapped when removed. Cost someone a bundle.

party · #**115** 03-14-2019, 12:38 AM

Tire shop I go to uses torque sticks on the impact and then torques to spec with a torque wrench.

barry12345 · #**116** 03-14-2019, 08:34 AM

I try to always have something a lot stronger in the trunk than the factory lug nut wrench. Even if is just a piece of pipe to go over it. One seldom has flats today but those lug nuts can be difficult. Most places still hammer them in with air guns.

sloride · #**117** 03-14-2019, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ROLLGUY

The problem I see with that method is that it is possible to get them TOO TIGHT.

Yep, chain tire shop here that offers free rotations ever 4k over tightened mine. Flat at night back country road 7 miles from home, bent the lug wrench trying to change the tire, never broke loose, walked half way home before getting a ride from a passer by. I also alway flip the guy doing the service a fin, thought they would be a little more respective to the specs and not just shove you out the door as quickly as possible.

vwnate1 · #**118** 03-14-2019, 12:10 PM

FWIW, tire service guys don't get much pay, often they're paid minimum wage so they don't have any incentive to do anything correctly .

Apart from making the wheel lugs impossible to loosen on the road, over torquing almost always warps the brake drum or disc, a thing they clearly don't care about as no delicacy with the chatter gun is equal to properly hand torquing .

Always stand there as they're tightening the lugs or you'll be sorry later .

ROLLGUY · #**119** 03-14-2019, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by party

Tire shop I go to uses torque sticks on the impact and then torques to spec with a torque wrench.

This is the easiest way to do it right. No guessing here, or changing tools. However, I have not seen too many shops use these. I did see a rack of torque sticks in one shop, but they looked like they did not get used (full of dust).

Father Of Giants · #**120** 03-14-2019, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jake12tech

Once you get experienced enough you can do it with an impact. If you also have a good impact gun you know hard to zip them in with an impact. You run them in by hand 3 threads with the socket and zip it on with the impact in the star pattern.

I was told to use a torque wrench repeatedly at Mercedes. The foreman threatened to write me up if I didn’t. I said to him, No, I know what I’m doing. If a wheel falls off and it was because I didn’t tighten the wheel enough I’ll eat the bill out of my check for damages. He said OK, fair enough. Never had a wheel fall off.

Much faster that way then using a speed handle and torque wrench. Time is money. Remember that.

I agree, I abandoned the torque wrench and started using a torque stick. I had a flat in the E320 a few weeks ago, I had the wrong size socket 18mm, 12 point, but was able to get it off EASILY because I torque down my wheels with a torque wrench.

If I had zapped it with a gun I would have been FUC*ED!!!! Another plus side is my lug nuts are nut worn down or deformed by repeated use of an impact.

Back on topic, it's good you have a flexible foreman, I would of got sent home to never come back if I did what you did lol.