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Old 04-28-2019, 02:36 AM
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Maximan..... GO FIX YOUR ODOMETER!

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My '79 240D definitely had a few more than the proclaimed 173K miles. Odometer broke sometime in the 1990s if I had to guess. Judging by the wear, I'd say the OG engine and trans was at about 325K to 350K.
This is what, a $15 part??

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Old 04-29-2019, 08:46 PM
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My 83 300 cd did 375 k miles until the body was unfit to drive. Engine now in a Toyota 4x4, owner says it's the best conversion he has.
A million miles is really a lot. Right now we have a almost million miles in the driveway, but its,shared by 2 MB's and 3 VW's. The combined Benz count is the heavy lift at about 575k miles
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:19 PM
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What I want to know is how many Mercedes (of any variety) made it to 1,000,000 KM or Miles, take your pick, on the *ORIGINAL DRIVETRAIN*.

Who cares if the chassis made it to 1M, that isn't hard to do, Ford/GM pickups in commercial duty do it all the time, but with replacement/rebuilt engines or transmissions. Making it with the OE-fitted drivetrain is something worth bragging about, doing it with replacement/rebuilt drivetrains isn't special or uncommon.
I see your point, but I think there's still something cool about a vehicle making it to a million miles regardless of how it gets there.

Along the way to a million miles, there are going to be a lot of big and small maintenance items that will come up, and every time, the owner has to make the decision that they'd rather put the time, effort and money into fixing that car instead of buying something else.

That means that someone had to care enough about the car to continue fixing it, even if it maybe didn't make rational sense to do so.

Of course if a car can make it go a million miles without an engine or transmission rebuild, that is even more impressive.
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:54 PM
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This is what, a $15 part??
It was one of the first things I fixed when I got the car, it's the PO that ignored it for hundreds of thousands of miles.
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:46 PM
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I see your point, but I think there's still something cool about a vehicle making it to a million miles regardless of how it gets there.

Along the way to a million miles, there are going to be a lot of big and small maintenance items that will come up, and every time, the owner has to make the decision that they'd rather put the time, effort and money into fixing that car instead of buying something else.

That means that someone had to care enough about the car to continue fixing it, even if it maybe didn't make rational sense to do so.

Of course if a car can make it go a million miles without an engine or transmission rebuild, that is even more impressive.
There are tons of vehicles out there of all makes and models that rack up ridiculous mileage in their lives. Virtually all of them have the engine or transmission rebuilt at least once in that period. Mercedes are no exception.

My point is that to be something special, the drivetrain has to last too. There are so many claims out there about "million mile Mercedes" that I've yet to see any of them without at least one engine rebuild under their belt. Kind of defeats the idea of "lasting a million miles" if the drivetrain ****s the bed. 1 million KM is only ~621K miles. I'd be satisfied with examples of Mercs lasting that long with the stock drivetrain (including head), but they seem to be in short supply too.

My first vehicle was my dad's old service truck. 1983 Ford Ranger that he had customized for running field service. 452K miles on the clock, second engine, original trans. Maybe I'm biased, but if a Ford can go that long in an abusive environment, I'd expect the reputation of Mercedes to do at least that well as a matter of commonality, not exceptionality. I'm not knocking Mercedes (I own 2 of them), but I think their reputation is rather overblown.
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:32 PM
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Its not misplaced, but most cars get wrecked or the engine ruined by outside forces to keep them from getting really high mileage. The kiss of death with an older vehicle is when the owner gets it in his mind its not worth maintaining any more.
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Old 05-06-2019, 04:15 PM
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I found something sorta strange on a Prius sale, the seller stated:
2005 Toyota Prius with battery error code POA80 Replace Hybrid Battery pack. Still drive with hazard light on and engine check line. Selling as it. It has 305,000 miles. Odometer stopped when it reached 299,999.
why would Toyota put a limit on the odometer? maybe they want the cars to be sent to the crusher at that mileage? they certainly sell a lot of new batteries though.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/d/fremont-2005-toyota-prius-with-battery/6882877548.html
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Old 05-06-2019, 04:41 PM
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The security company for my condo complex had a Prius that they drove into the ground, had 460K on it when it was "retired" (read: crashed into a parking pole at 30mph).

Something shady is up with that seller - digital odometer don't stop like that.
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Old 05-06-2019, 08:29 PM
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Prius odometer

This is a known thing with early second generation Priuses, up to 2006 I believe.

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The security company for my condo complex had a Prius that they drove into the ground, had 460K on it when it was "retired" (read: crashed into a parking pole at 30mph).

Something shady is up with that seller - digital odometer don't stop like that.
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Old 05-06-2019, 09:45 PM
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This is a known thing with early second generation Priuses, up to 2006 I believe.
INDEED it IS!
I found a Forum dedicated to the matter
finally a post by a member named pEEf (EV nut) stating:
" the 300K odometer bug is only on the 2004 & 2005 CM boards. I can reprogram these to 0 or any other value if desired. You will have to file an odometer disclosure statement if you ever sell or trade in the car though.
See my CM repair post for more information."

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Old 05-07-2019, 01:56 AM
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Didn't Doktor Bert's W116 300SD go well over a million miles without an engine rebuild?
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Old 05-08-2019, 04:36 PM
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The security company for my condo complex had a Prius that they drove into the ground, had 460K on it when it was "retired" (read: crashed into a parking pole at 30mph).

Something shady is up with that seller - digital odometer don't stop like that.
My long-gone 98 VW Jetta TDI's digital odometer went to 299,999 miles, then reset back to zero with the word "TOTAL" disappearing in the cluster. It then started counting up again. Those familiar with these older VWs know that a car showing 100,000 miles on the odometer but missing the word total actually has 300,000 miles. In my case, when I crashed the car, the odometer displayed 188,xxx miles without TOTAL meaning true mileage was 488,xxx miles. I bought it new so I know the mileage was real.

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Trucks and commercial vehicles don't count

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There are tons of vehicles out there of all makes and models that rack up ridiculous mileage in their lives. Virtually all of them have the engine or transmission rebuilt at least once in that period. Mercedes are no exception.

My point is that to be something special, the drivetrain has to last too. There are so many claims out there about "million mile Mercedes" that I've yet to see any of them without at least one engine rebuild under their belt. Kind of defeats the idea of "lasting a million miles" if the drivetrain ****s the bed. 1 million KM is only ~621K miles. I'd be satisfied with examples of Mercs lasting that long with the stock drivetrain (including head), but they seem to be in short supply too.

My first vehicle was my dad's old service truck. 1983 Ford Ranger that he had customized for running field service. 452K miles on the clock, second engine, original trans. Maybe I'm biased, but if a Ford can go that long in an abusive environment, I'd expect the reputation of Mercedes to do at least that well as a matter of commonality, not exceptionality. I'm not knocking Mercedes (I own 2 of them), but I think their reputation is rather overblown.
A "service truck" is almost supposed to be abused and commercial vehicles are made to different standards that passenger cars. The 452k on the Ford Ranger which had 2 engines is only 226k per engine, and nothing to write home about.
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Old 05-11-2019, 11:06 AM
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A "service truck" is almost supposed to be abused and commercial vehicles are made to different standards that passenger cars. The 452k on the Ford Ranger which had 2 engines is only 226k per engine, and nothing to write home about.
My point still remains valid. Any vehicle can make it to 1M if you're willing to change parts and rebuild/repair things as they wear out. I'm still waiting to see a valid example where a 617 powered vehicle made it to 1M miles or KM with the original engine without having the head off. It's claimed all the time that they make it that long, let's see some proof.



For reference, the 452K Ranger was an oilfield service truck. >50% of the miles driven on it were off road in rural South Texas. Literal off-road, as in no road exists other than muddy ruts or caliche dumped to make a vague path. The fact it made it as long as it did is impressive given the conditions it operated under. The carbureted Cologne V6 also was not a long-lived engine. ~200K was all you could get out of it before it needed rebuilt.
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Old 05-23-2019, 08:24 AM
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The highest I've personally seen, in my short time, on a W123 is 397,000 mi. I believe it was documented as the original engine, running very well.

I think most of the super high mileage older Benz's will be ones that had the miles racked up extremely quickly, when they were not very old.

Now, my dad's '97 Suburban is at about 475K now and showing no signs of not hitting 500K. The heads were off for a valve job it turned out not needing at 340K, but otherwise that engine has been undisturbed since 170K - the vehicle was so clean then, when he bought it, that it'd be a real surprise if it had had any heavy repairs. That's the one engine I've seen, personally, that could very well make a million KM.

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