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Old 07-05-2019, 07:11 PM
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My 97 E300 shifts around redline (about 6,000 rpm?) when pressing pedal to kickdown switch. I have an mp4 video on my phone showing this, but don't know how to attach a large file (59 MB).

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Old 07-06-2019, 08:13 AM
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That's because 97 SL320 is full of it. A 97 om606 is programmed to upshift at 4500 rpm.
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My 97 E300 shifts around redline (about 6,000 rpm?) when pressing pedal to kickdown switch. I have an mp4 video on my phone showing this, but don't know how to attach a large file (59 MB).
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:34 AM
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My 97 E300 shifts around redline (about 6,000 rpm?) when pressing pedal to kickdown switch. I have an mp4 video on my phone showing this, but don't know how to attach a large file (59 MB).
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Old 07-08-2019, 04:21 PM
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https://youtu.be/lqUwjWSZKiw

I thought redline was around 6,000 but it is at 5,200 and I'm shifting at 5,000.
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Old 07-08-2019, 04:53 PM
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Wow, mine is seriously slow, going to rebuild the lift pump, bypass the tank screen and inspect the overflow valve sometime next week.
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I thought redline was around 6,000 but it is at 5,200 and I'm shifting at 5,000.
That's still OK as if proves the engine should go past the factory specified 4,500 RPM another obnoxious poster claimed.

I'm having internet issues so YouTube is too slow. Are you moving the shifter at 5,000 or is this the in drive auto shift point?

Regardless, the OP's car should make it to 5,200 redline.
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Old 07-08-2019, 07:50 PM
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I think the 4500 RPM limit was only for the 3.4L "Rod bender" engines.
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Old 07-08-2019, 08:44 PM
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Wow, mine is seriously slow, going to rebuild the lift pump, bypass the tank screen and inspect the overflow valve sometime next week.
I wish you luck on your troubleshooting and repairs. If there's a way to measure the pressure and flow rate from the pump, that would be good. I assume there are published specs for that? Always try to deal in facts, through measurements or precise testing/troubleshooting, so you don't spend money/time working on what is NOT the problem.

So, the video shows nice acceleration. Also, there's no smoke when doing that! And, to finish off the boasting, I just took a trip to the Kalamazoo, MI area and made the 605 mile round trip on 1 tank at 31.0 mpg. Mostly interstate driving at 75 mph, a little rural driving, a couple food stops, and A/C going the whole time. I like this old car!

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That's still OK as if proves the engine should go past the factory specified 4,500 RPM another obnoxious poster claimed.

I'm having internet issues so YouTube is too slow. Are you moving the shifter at 5,000 or is this the in drive auto shift point?
Perhaps the 4,500 shift point is with the kick-down switch NOT in use??

I left the shift lever in D and let the pedal and kick-down switch do all the work.
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Perhaps the 4,500 shift point is with the kick-down switch NOT in use??

I left the shift lever in D and let the pedal and kick-down switch do all the work.
Kickdown is more of a " rapid forced down shift related to gas peddle positioned on floor " rather than a " when throttle position exceeds road speed down shift ".

RE: kickdown is unfiltered / unbuffered where as throttle Vs road speed is filtered / buffered to prevent an overactive transmission.

With a hydraulic shift trans there might be some shift speed RPM increase at 100 % throttle + KD Vs just 100 % throttle but I've never tested this. With an electronic shift, I would not expect any RPM change.
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Old 07-12-2019, 10:27 AM
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Finally checked the cat, it's perfect, all the tiny chambers are visible. It is NOT melted down or falling apart.

Exhaust good, so on to fuel.

I'm about to go through the fuel supply systemin the near future.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:10 PM
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Just ordered lift pump rebuild kit and a NEW overflow valve, we'll what comes of it.
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Just ordered lift pump rebuild kit and a NEW overflow valve, we'll what comes of it.
Be aware that the 60x engines use a drilled-orifice style overflow valve. The orifice size determines pressure in the fuel rack, not spring pressure. The check valve with extremely weak spring is only there to prevent air ingress after shutdown. Changing the overflow valve will do nothing for pressure in the fuel rack.
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Interesting, I thought that a worn out overflow spring/deformed plastic bushings would cause issues.

Greazer's overflow valve springs are indeed a direct upgrade correct?
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Old 07-12-2019, 04:04 PM
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Interesting, I thought that a worn out overflow spring/deformed plastic bushings would cause issues.

Greazer's overflow valve springs are indeed a direct upgrade correct?
No. The older MW IP's on the 616/617 and earlier engines had the pressure in the fuel rack regulated by the spring on the overflow valve. The spring operated a ball bearing that stopped flow through the OFV when pressure was too low.

The 60x engines use a different setup and a different lift pump. The lift pump can supply significantly more fuel than the IP can consume. Pressure in the fuel rack is regulated by the drilled orifice in the OFV, the lift pump moves a given volume against that orifice and pressure is a result. When pressure gets too high, the piston in the lift pump "floats" and pumps no more fuel. The plastic piece that warps and deforms is only there to serve as a check valve. The purpose is primarily to prevent air ingress when the engine is stopped, not to regulate fuel pressure. The spring is extremely weak, you can blow throw the valve with no effort. A warped or failed plastic check valve piece may cause some rough starts, but it won't affect power delivery or fuel pressure in the rack.

Greazzer's modded OFV will work on the 601/2/3 IP's without modification (I ran one on my SDL). Not sure about the 604/5/6. Be aware that priming the air out of the system is a major undertaking with the 61x style OFV fitted. The 60x fuel system has no primer handle and is designed for the air to be simply pushed out through the drilled orifice OFV.
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Finally checked the cat, it's perfect, all the tiny chambers are visible. It is NOT melted down or falling apart.
Did you shine a light through it or at min look at both ends?

A cat can clog on the inlet / part wart way through or melt on the exit side but still look good on the other end.

With this injection pump is there a way to look at rack position and / or rack command? ( using a volt meter / duty cycle / amp meter ) If rack command / position is delivering low fuel ( IE normal ) , I'd look to non fuel tank type issues. If the rack command / position is max fuel , I'd look to fuel delivery issues.

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