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Old 07-18-2019, 10:07 AM
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Looking at the OP’s profile he lives in Wisconsin.

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Old 07-18-2019, 11:07 AM
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Ok it was an experimental engine. Well it's 40 years later and it's been proven time and time again that it one of the best long blocks ever made, it has passed the test. I can understand they thought it was necessary then, but it is nominal now. Id be extremely surprised if these cool the Pistons down even 5 degrees Fahrenheit, it's not gonna make or break anything.

And ok they may have been used on other "high output / High performance" engines. This is not either of those, this is a 0-60 in 15 seconds engine, this is a turbo diesel application that is going to be LUCKY to reach 120 horsepower at the crank.


When it comes to a super pumped turbo diesel, ok it "might" help and I would want it for piece of mind.

But like I said, for this set up, a non intercooled tiny 40 year old turbo at 6-8 lbs of boost, running a stock m pump tuned for an NA engines fuel consumption, they are absolutely not going to affect anything.
Well I guess you know better than the Mb engineers. Good luck with that.
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Old 07-18-2019, 01:03 PM
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I never heard about the 617 being an experimental engine.....but then any new application is somewhat experimental.
More specifically, the OM617 turbo was an experimental engine. It was a rushed solution to a problem. Mercedes' S-class lineup's fuel economy was too poor for them to be able to continue to be sold in North America unless the combined fuel economy for their S-class could be increased, due to sudden law changes. At the time, their S-class consisted of a gas-guzzling 6.9 liter V8, a 4.5 liter V8, and with the smallest engine being 2.8 liter inline 6 which still didn't get great fuel economy.

So, what to do? The obvious answer was to install an economical diesel engine. But, this hadn't been done in an S-class before and simply installing even the largest diesel engine they had at the time (the naturally aspirated OM617 in the W115 chassis) probably wouldn't have interested S-class buyers.

In the time frame of maybe a year (I don't know the exact time frame other than it was short), the engineers decided to turbocharge the engine to increase the horsepower while not adversely affecting the fuel economy. What they ended up with was an S-class diesel which had decent performance and good enough fuel economy to bring down the average fleet numbers to the required amounts.
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The location for the return line must be above the oil in the pan. Just make sure the oil has a place to go that isn't restricted.

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Old 07-19-2019, 05:56 PM
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Well I guess you know better than the Mb engineers. Good luck with that.
He just likes to butt in with a blissful lack of knowledge and a bad attitude.
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Old 07-19-2019, 10:41 PM
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The location for the return line must be above the oil in the pan. Just make sure the oil has a place to go that isn't restricted.

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Old 07-20-2019, 12:42 AM
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Nope, New Mexico.
I live in the desert. It's July and we might hit in the upper 80s this month. Desert means dry, not hot, if you want something else to argue over.
Where in Wisconsin is 8000ft?

Thanks for all the actually helpful discussion! Really. I have searched this and other boards and found the naysayers "you'll shoot your eye out" but very little real detail. This is reassuring.
Once again: stock fueling (M-pump, no ALDA or ADA) with added air to be able to burn the fuel instead of just making black smoke. 7-10lb of boost as a goal. The M-pump was sold on European models, no EGR or other emissions crap but also not very field-tunable.

VW also added oil squirters to its 1.6l diesels when it added a turbo (early '80s?--the one I run in my Westy is from 1986, 617s are gargantuan engines by comparison). It has been all over North America and spent most of its life in the desert, too.

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