I'm selling my 87 190D Turbo (with the swapped in manual gearbox from a 260E) here & then listed on eBay too. An eBayer has challenged my statement in the listing: "Only model year in North America for the W201 body style to feature a turbo-charged diesel engine. No North American versions came from the factory with a manual transmission, so this is truly a "rare" car!"

He insists I'm "incompetent" & and that W201 turbo examples came from the factory with manual transmissions. I told him that may have been true in Europe & other regions, but not on this continent...that's why some of us have gone to lengths to swap in a 5-spd gearbox.

Am I wrong in saying all the 87 190DT's sold here were automatics? I've really tried to find something official beyond discussion post banter to say this, no such luck. Just want to see if what I've always assumed is, indeed, incorrect.

Probably not gonna change this fellow's mind, but just wanna know for my own sake.

I don't really know but I would say you are right.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Who cares what some idiot on the internet thinks. Tell him to go **** himself. They never sold any turbo diesel 5psd W201 or W124 anywhere in the world. Those only appeared with the W202 and W210.

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190 D 2.5 TURBO/250 D TURBO were available with 5spd from 09/1988, but not in the US/Canada.
Gearbox 717.437 with two-mass flywheel.

Thanks, that's what I had thought, and agreed that I shouldn't give a flying **** about the dude. It made me second guess myself & just needed to make sure I wasnt going crazy.

Bookman : but you ARE 'crazy' ! : you think owning , driving and maintaining an old Mercedes automobile is a good thing..... .

I wish my knees would allow me to still drive a stick shift in traffic, I'd buy someone's converted W123 five cylinder and pay the freight for a 5 speed tranny in a heartbeat .

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1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

Cant deny that, listing it on eBay was the other crazy move. Silly me thinking that a bidder would follow through on his purchase! So, the W201 remains in my garage & up for sale.

I cant imagine parting with my W123 wagon though. That thing will outlive us all!

I've had several random people get all excited and offer to buy my 300D/5spd both on the street and here on the forum. Ok, make me an offer. But then they want to pay less for it because it's a stick. I laugh and drive away.

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I hear you guys loud and clear .

I recently bought a shop truck, it's a base model with five speed box and I've discovered I still enjoy rowing the gears though through commuting traffic not so much .

Next week I'm going to go look at an old English car, also with manual gear box, maybe I'll buy and enjoy driving a clutch again.....

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-Nate
1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

I had an 84 and an 87 190D 2.5 NA, both 5 spd.

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82 Benz 240 D, Kuan Yin
12 Ford Escape 4wd

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a cell phone.

www.kiva.org It's not like there's anything wrong with feeling good, is there?

Was that 87 NA 2.5 converted from an automatic, or came from the factory with the 5 spd?

Plenty of NA 5spds. Not too many turbos.

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Not one. Mercedes did not send 190D turbos with manual transmissions to the US. If you find one, it's a shade tree conversion.

I have...

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"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
1987 300TD
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

@Nate, you will be forever working on the British car. I had a 75 MGB bought new. The exhaust system fell off on Lake Shore Drive during rush hour when there were < 5,000 mi on the clock. It needed a head gasket soon after. The alternator went out and the intake manifold cracked while still under warranty.

I took the spare tire out of the trunk to have room for a tool box. I loved driving that car but it wouldn't stay running. This is common on MGBs, Midgets, MGA & B, Triumphs Jaguars etc.

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85SD 240K & stopped counting painted, putting bac together. 84SD 180,000. sold to a neighbor and member here but I forget his handle. The 84 is much improved from when I had it. 85TD beginning to repair to DD status. Lots of stuff to do.