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Old 12-13-2019, 07:53 AM
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Is the high miles om648 as prone to oil leaks as 617's

Getting ready to make some offers on 05/06 CDIs...

My Only MB diesel was 84 300sd-- Great car-- Let it go- w/275k-- leaking TOO much oil (wish I was more patient)

Will this OM648 leak as much (w/ 220k + miles)--as the 617? Or did MB get better/designs/gaskets/etc.

some- always throw out-- "All diesels leak oil" - don't know if I buy that

Just want to know what I am about to get into

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Old 12-13-2019, 08:29 AM
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Even my 606 was leak free with 250 k miles...the 642s are too once you change the oil cooler seals.
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Old 12-13-2019, 08:41 AM
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My 05 E320 CDI at 200k mi with Om648 was leaking around the valve cover gasket and was dripping on to the air filter box and exhaust heat shield (engine tilted more towards passenger side) but elsewhere it look pretty dry. I'd be more worried about the injector seal failure (ie black death) than oil leaks.

I bought my E320 CDI for $1900 with a injector seal failure that happened for some time (probally 1-2 yrs) and was daily with that problem, owner never addressed it. I just got done replacing the seals and cleaning, it was quite a job but straightforward (i had worst OM642 oil cooler seal!) and relatively low cost, the kit cost $30 minus the other tools and unforeseen consequences was costly ($200 in tools & custom tools, supplies, broken T return lines $230 OTD)
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Old 12-13-2019, 11:06 AM
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The benz diesels are not leakers any more than any other vehicle with miles on it.
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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.
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Old 12-13-2019, 03:39 PM
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Any diesel with higher miles will leak. Diesels naturally have higher crankcase pressures. So when they get some miles on them, theyíll leak. And have fun stopping them. When you replace one seal the next closest leaks. Iíve tried on diesels with 400k plus.
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Old 12-13-2019, 05:49 PM
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My advice on oil leaks echos Bob Newhart suggestion. "STOP IT!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BjKS1-vjPs)


I've had several Mercedes diesels over the years along with 2 Cummins recently added. Everyone says all diesels leak, "cummins sweat horsepower" and all kinds of nonsense.

I don't own a vehicle with less than 200k, I've had some nearing 400k, and none would leak more than a drop parked overnight or something was getting fixed.

My driveway has been littered with oil stains at times, somewhat from my friends who aren't as OCD about replacing rubber parts, and some from the process of getting my cars and trucks to where they are today.

Anything can be a leaky nightmare, anything can be a flawless shining example of engineering.
Its all in how you care for it.

My worst experience with any car is the w124 I owned, Somewhere there is a thread about the "cursed" car. It had been neglected and bodged together for many years and I spent way too much on it before finally nearly giving it away so I'd stop spending money trying to fix it.

Most of my vehicles are "rescues" in one way or another, but sometimes they're too far gone to be worth saving.

Turbo drain seals, valve cover seals, air cleaner U-Tube gaskets, oil separator modifications/repairs, and the driveway will be clean right up until my wife parks the backhoe on it again lol
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Old 12-19-2019, 07:39 PM
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My 617 leaked. Then I bought a gasket set (Elring I think), took it down to the long block and sealed everything. It hasn't leaked since.
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Old 01-14-2020, 08:36 AM
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Even my 606 was leak free with 250 k miles...the 642s are too once you change the oil cooler seals.
Well I found another leak point in the 642.

OM642 oil filter gasket

Much easier repair than the oil cooler seals.

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2014 ML350 Bluetec (wife's DD)
2013 E350 Bluetec (my DD)
2008 ML320 CDI (Older sonís DD)
2008 E320 Bluetec (Younger son's DD)

1998 E300DT sold to TimFreeh
1987 300TD sold to vstech
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1983 240D (body to greazzer, engine to t walgamuth)
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