Yes, the euro version for sure. I've been in one....they can really put down the power!! And somehow they manage to use more fuel than a V8.

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'15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800)
'17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k)
'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)

. .. . but MB > DIESEL < owners are some of the cheapest people on the planet lol. I don't mean that to be offensive, it is just my experience ..

There, Fixed

Where are these bigger elements coming from? Are they custom or does Bosch sell them? I don't get it.


If a big company paying taxes and employees can ship me a pump with 7.5's for $1000 I don't see how someone in their under the table week warrior garage could realistically make a profit at $700.

Bosch charges $450 to rebuild Injectors... Greazer charges $100 for example

One wonders how the additional strain running those pumps impacts longevity.

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LOL... OK...

The M pump elements are custom made as far as I know, (I am not a fan of the M pump so I don't play with them). There are more element options for the MW which can be sourced from Bosch or China. The trick is to know which ones to get. I have purchased many samples and have used a couple different 10MM elements and have narrowed it down to ones that I want to modify for my own purposes.

One of the Investments that has value is all the research and money spent for sample parts etc.

To gear up to build and calibrate pumps one would need to invest around $8K ish.. Then there is the time invested learning how to tear down, build up, and tune the pumps / governors.

But for the sake of this discussion lets go with $8K.. @ $700 per pump shipped, minus shipping @ $25, Delivery Valves at $250, China elements @ $75 for 5 (un-modified), Gasket set @ $20, 1 hr of rebuild labor @ $100/hr, Calibration run time of 1hr @ $100/hr and you are left with $130 after costs which would require 62 pumps just to break even.

I know I sound like a prick (not my intention at all) and you are not the only person to ask that question. There is a big difference between a "business" and a "hobby" where pricing is concerned.

The MW pump is a much stouter pump then the M pump. The MW will handle much higher pop pressures then the M pump will, but the M pump is specked to a higher RPM then the MW is.

The MW pump and RW governor is a better set up then the M pump in my opinion.

No u don't sound like a prick, lol actually when I was reading thru your post, the first thing I thought in my head was, "thanks God for this guy, he can answer questions on a forum without seeming snarky and stuck up" lol so thanks for that.


Well basically more of what I'm saying is, your saying a rough estimate is 8k to start. If imagine we could get together 15 forum members to throw down $800 up front to collectively come up with a grand total of $12k. Those 15 members get a built pump for 800, the builder gets to pocket a G or two and gets a "free" calibration machine. And lol after a year of mistakes and do overs the stock holders get their pumps lol.


And lastly I understand that off the jump buying all the parts and everything individualy and not having a solid connection to a seller of elements, DV's, etc would make the $700-$800 price point next to impossible.

But after one got started, interest and orders started ramping up. If imagine one could find a bulk deal or a solid connection that would drastically cut the cost of parts making the price point plausible.

But ya then u start to run into your company getting bigger orders stacking up, needing employees etc etc etc. I understand that there is slim to no chance that this is ever gonna happen but what I'm saying is that it could.

We could throw together enough upfront money to get someone started, and the lower price point really wouldn't have to be forever or for everyone either. More people are into super pumps on the Toyota 4x4 wheeler forums and superturbodiesel, you could jack ur prices up.ober tjere

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Friend of mine owns a yard and soon crushes old cars. He says that people with new cars wanting a fender for example come pay, pick it up and leave. People with old cars are DIY and want the fender to match so they don't have to paint. Then, they want a discount because "how many of these old fenders can you sell?"

A new car takes up the same amount of space on the yard ant the labor to pull a fender is the same. Which would you stock?

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Now you have me considering putting together the pump calibration machine for which I have been collecting parts for over the past 8 years lol..

Within the past few weeks, I've gotten very much into the idea of doing a MW superpump, as cheaply as possible. I'm also looking into a DIY test bench setup, something simple with one arbitrary speed solely for tuning delivery. Is it even possible to tune the governor on the car instead of a testbench? Just lower the idle rack travel to compensate for bigger elements, and go from there? As for cheap elements, some aliexpress 8mm elements could work, perhaps in buying 7-8 and picking the best 5. The biggest issue I see is the tappet holder tool (KDEP-1051 for the 8mm lift pumps, of which I am reasonably sure we have) and the oil return for the pump (out the front!?). In order to try to realize this idea of a cheap superpump, I've been accumulating all manner of Bosch documentation, including test specs, diagrams, and test and repair procedures. I've uploaded most of it to archive.org so far (https://archive.org/details/warchive) and made a collection of documents that I've organized pertaining to the MW pump and RW governor (https://archive.org/details/MWpump). I really hope this can help hobbyists have some proper service information, and get some cost-effective superpumps going.

I have a 7.5mm superpump on my om617 now. Benzforce. Also paired it to an HX30 turbo. difference in the car is night and day. Rodney from Benforse is great to work with, and you still have a direct line to dieselminken, so why would you want to reinvent the wheel?

Just an FYI. Goren has sold Dieselmeken to a young fella named Eric Persson (I think I spelled that right). I met him briefly at Bonneville where he was driving the Salty Frog Racing (Steve Menendez) Rampage w/Diesel power. Nice fella and very knowledgeable. He even set a record in Steve's truck.


It's hard to replicate the skill and equipment that Dieselmeken brings to this field. Not saying not to try but it's a limited market and there are at least 3 significant players in it so you might want to consider carefully.


Dan

I could maybe see if for an om603 pump, but it still costs so much money to get one of those cars back to decent stock condition I can't imagine it being popular. Sub 8 second 0-60 would make one more viable for fast aggressive commuting in heavy traffic, but then you also need better brakes, suspension, tires, etc, then it ends up being easier to get a newer car with a/c, rack and pinion steering and other more modern technology.

The main cost is the Test Stand to run the Fuel Injection Pumps on. I worked in a diesel fuel injection shop for 5 years and I see no way to get around not having a proper test stand to do the job.

You would also need a sheet with test specs on it.

And a source of non-PRC parts.

You are also talking about a small market.

Someone who has their own test stand and specs would do better simply buying used fuel injection pumps and making sure they are set correctly and selling those. Or they could also rebuild them.
There is more customers that want rebuilt stock pumps.

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