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Old 06-18-2002, 11:55 AM
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How do you keep old and new chains together when feeding them to the engine?

How do you keep old and new chains together when feeding them to the engine?

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Old 06-18-2002, 12:25 PM
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You use a master link beween them. P E H
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Old 06-19-2002, 01:06 AM
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Yeah, I kinda gathered that.
but if you use the master link and crimp it together, you end up destroying it.
Guess I need two master links...huh...duh...
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1976 Jaguar XJS-saved a V-12 from the chevy curse, what a great engine!
1988 Cadillac Eldorado (better car than you might think!)
1988 Yamaha Venture (better than a Wing!)
1977 Suzuki GS750B
1976 Yamaha XS 650 (sold)
1991 Suzuki GSX1100G (Shafty Gixser)
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Old 06-19-2002, 01:17 AM
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No need to crimp. When you roll in a new chain, you are turning the engine by hand, and only taking the chain through one complete turn (~6.5 revolutions on a V-8, no idea of how many on a D). The new chain will likely come with a C-clip type master link (you might get lucky and get a crimp type), I simply installed the clips and rolled it in. Since there is no real tension/pressure on the chain, I imagine the clip was not necessary (but I felt better).

Once the chain has been rolled in, then you can make the crimp if you have the crimpable type. You can also pick up a C-clip master for short $$ to use strictly for the roll in, if you get the crimpable master with the new chain.
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Thanks Mike,
I don't feel comfy with using a loose master link (my chain came with the crimp type), so I shall source a clip type for the install!

Can you imagine the chaos if the link fell into the sump and the chain disconnected? Oiy...
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Old 06-19-2002, 01:30 AM
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Ed, I may be wrong, and the hard core dieslers will correct me if wrong, but the crimp type master consists of the link, center plate and outer plate. I also believe the outer plate is a tight press fit, and as such you should be able to press on the outer plate (without crimping) for the roll in. Once in, gently pry off the outer plate, connect the ends of the new chain, with the link and plates, then crimp.

Seems I remember reading that somehwere before, don't know why I didn't think of it sooner. Must be getting tired. Oh four-thirty comes Oh too early, time to hit the rack.
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Thanks mike, good info!

I am paranoid about the end plate falling off, so will go with a clip type (if I can find one!)
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Old 06-19-2002, 08:58 AM
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240Ed,

If you can find where to get the clip type master link, Let me know. I would like to get a few.

If you can't find any clip type master links, put some epoxy or glue on the master link outside rail to hold it on while you feed the chain. There isn't any side force on the chain so you don't need much to hold the side rail in place.

If I had a clip type master link, I would use that instead of the crimp type. I've been driving MB Diesels for 30+ years and a clip type master link has never come apart while the engine was running. I know others would disagree with this but that is my experience.

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Old 06-19-2002, 09:07 AM
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Mike is on the mark with his advice. I have done several chains that used the "crimp-on" style master link and I have just installed the "crimp-on" link without peening the ends while winding in the chain. The outer plate fit is very tight - you will find out when you try to pry off the plate after you have the new chain installed. You have to apply a fair amount of pressure to dislodge the plate.

I don't think there is any chance the plate would fall off when you are hand turning the engine for one revolution.

Tim
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Old 06-20-2002, 09:37 PM
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Tim, thanks for this info, I shall risk it and try this method.
I haven't tried the fit of the master link yet, but it sounds like it is like other links I have used. Very tough to get back off!

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1988 Yamaha Venture (better than a Wing!)
1977 Suzuki GS750B
1976 Yamaha XS 650 (sold)
1991 Suzuki GSX1100G (Shafty Gixser)
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