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Old 06-29-2020, 12:03 PM
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Yikes.

But I defer to the FSM. What does it say?
WIS says to apply 2bar pressure, then bleed each caliper in turn. Nothing else. (Just re-checked!)

I replaced the ABS pump on my W210, and followed the WIS instructions. Worked ever since

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Old 06-29-2020, 12:26 PM
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Post Bleeders : Vauum Vs. Pressure

Both are good but I've had far better results faster with pressure bleeders .

Mind you : I work on a lot of different vehicles so this may make a difference .

Some even have the bleeder valve below the attachment point of the brake hose, this makes bleeding them particularly difficult .

Agreed : never more than 5PSI .

So far I've never had to work on an ABS equipped vehicle .
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Old 06-29-2020, 12:39 PM
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WIS says to apply 2bar pressure, then bleed each caliper in turn. Nothing else. (Just re-checked!)

I replaced the ABS pump on my W210, and followed the WIS instructions. Worked ever since
Hey, if it says 2 bar, then 30psi it is!
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I am curious how much pressure you’re using.
Well, the back of the bleeder tank reads: "Pressurize Power Bleeder to level recommended in vehicle service manual. Do not exceed 20 psi."
Surprise : As far as I know, I have no pressure recommended in my 1985's manuals including the FSMs.
I may have the dung on my face for saying this, LOL:
I usually pressurized to 15 psi. When the hosing failed, pressurization was around 13 psi or so (I can't say for sure because I was busy pressurizing).
Yeah, I get from the other posts here that 15 psi is way out of line.

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I don’t take mine to more than 5 psi. And silly or not, I’ve stopped filling the tank, and just the reservoir.
As I wrote in my last post here, I am completely okay with low pressurization and placing no fluid in the tank and doing 2 pressurization rounds for the 4 wheels. In fact, with new hose, my intention is to never place fluid in the tank going forward.

Live and learn.

Thanks again to all who have posted.
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Old 07-04-2020, 10:12 AM
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This is precisely why I never put brake fluid into it, I only use it to pressurize the system and can bleed three wheels before needing to top up the master cylinder again .

The hose is very common, the first Motive bleeder I bought only had a 12" hose on it so I replaced it .

This is a *very* good tool needed in every shop, commercial or DIY .
Same here....never put fluid in mine, just use it for pressure only and it is still going strong after 15 years!.
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Old 07-05-2020, 03:08 AM
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My old Motive Power Bleeder got thrown away unexpectedly, but I have a new one coming in and will make note of this. I had one instance where I filled the old bleeder up when it was new and it started spewing brake fluid from the cap. No fluid in the reservoir will allow me not to repeat that mistake again!
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Old 07-07-2020, 05:03 PM
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Final chapter

Well, here's the final chapter...

Power Bleeder:
1. Removed all of the old hosing and clamps.
2. Using denatured alcohol (per Motive Products instructions), thoroughly cleaned the pump+associated o-ring, tank (including the output port), brass fittings, and the adapter+associated gasket.
3. Fitted new hosing and installed clamps.
My basic philosophy: Remove all of the brake fluid residue and start over essentially from the beginning.

Brake system flush:
1. Pressurized the empty tank to 10psi.
2. Topped-up the reservoir after each wheel (didn't bother me).
3. Bled each wheel as usual.

Additional benefit from using an empty tank: Consumed a bit under 1 quart of fluid for the whole job. This is excellent for the environment and my pocket book as 2 quarts were required when I was filling the tank.

That is all.
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Mine also failed a couple of years ago, a nice upgrade is to go to fuel injection pressure rated hose during the replacement. It's a bit more expensive but its rated for much higher pressures than standard low-pressure fuel line hose that came with the bleeder.

Not sure but I'd also guess its a higher grade of rubber.
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Old 07-07-2020, 09:08 PM
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Had the same prob as OP. Cheap hose caused a 15psi geyser of brake fluid. Returned mine to FCP euro (lifetime warranty) and trucked on... I suppose I could actually fix the issue, but it’s easier to just return/replace
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Old 07-07-2020, 11:11 PM
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One thing never mentioned here is that often having the brakes bled by a shop is surprisingly inexpensive....for an otherwise annoying and unpleasant job. Our local German Auto Indy does it for about $135 including fluid!....quite worth it if the car is already there for other stuff. I had them do it on my W210 when they were doing control arm/ball joint replacements.
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Old 07-07-2020, 11:19 PM
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Holy smokes - $135! All it costs is 1 litres of brake fluid. Very simple and easy to do with a pressure bleeder. Not messy at all. I often do it while rotating tires. It's also a good time to have a look at suspension and lube calipers.

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