Daimler will pay $2.2 billion to settle it's US diesel emissions cheating scandal - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

tjts1 · #1 08-13-2020, 07:56 PM

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Daimler said that $1.5 billion would be spent on settlements with federal and state agencies including the Environmental Protection Agency, the California Air Resources Board, U.S. Department of Justice, the California Attorney General’s Office, and U.S. Customs and Border Protection. A further $700 million would be spent to settle a class-action lawsuit against it, including attorneys’ fees.

The settlements are subject to the final approval of the relevant authorities and courts. The agreement in principle with the U.S. government authorities will be memorialized in binding consent decrees. In the coming weeks, the authorities will then lodge the consent decrees with a U.S. District Court for ultimate approval. The U.S. consumer class action settlement will be submitted to the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey for approval.

https://jalopnik.com/daimler-will-pay-billions-to-be-done-with-that-whole-di-1844717884

I hope it was worth the dozen or so diesel cars they sold in the USA every year post 2010.

Rogviler · #2 08-13-2020, 08:51 PM

They should've done a valve adjustment and run Diesel Purge.

dude99 · #3 08-13-2020, 09:12 PM

^^best answer

merc lover · #4 08-13-2020, 10:29 PM

I'll give you three guesses where they are going to make up the loss and the first two guesses don't count.

t walgamuth · #5 08-14-2020, 07:34 AM

I have been wondering how mb avoided the vw pitfall.

pawoSD · #6 08-14-2020, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tjts1

https://jalopnik.com/daimler-will-pay-billions-to-be-done-with-that-whole-di-1844717884

I hope it was worth the dozen or so diesel cars they sold in the USA every year post 2010.

More like 40-41,000 a year. Total involved vehicles was around 250k.

Its all a sham anyways, our emissions laws are incredibly warped and designed to appease the oil companies. Aka, an 8,000lb v8 gas pickup is A-ok, while a small diesel sedan is scrutinized to no end.

t walgamuth · #7 08-14-2020, 04:22 PM

I wonder if they will buy mine back at a ridiculous price?

tjts1 · #8 08-14-2020, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

More like 40-41,000 a year. Total involved vehicles was around 250k.

Its all a sham anyways, our emissions laws are incredibly warped and designed to appease the oil companies. Aka, an 8,000lb v8 gas pickup is A-ok, while a small diesel sedan is scrutinized to no end.

I'm not sure why you think it's a sham. The 8,000lb gas pickup outputs far less particulates and NOx than even the smallest 4cyl diesel. Blaming our regulations for Mercedes emissions cheating is a bit like blaming the rape victim.

pawoSD · #9 08-14-2020, 09:20 PM

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I'm not sure why you think it's a sham. The 8,000lb gas pickup outputs far less particulates and NOx than even the smallest 4cyl diesel. Blaming our regulations for Mercedes emissions cheating is a bit like blaming the rape victim.

Not blaming the regulations for the cheating. Gas engines do produce particulates, I can get more soot off the average gas vehicle's exhaust pipe than I can from my GLK250.

That huge pickup also pumps 4-5x the carbon dioxide into the air as a high mpg diesel. In the grand scheme of things, that massive extra amount of CO2, plus just the enormous waste of a finite resource in general, will have the greater negative impact.

A couple container ships chugging along the ocean likely pollutes more than just about every MB diesel in the country put together....but you don't see them with DPF systems forced upon them.

pawoSD · #10 08-14-2020, 09:21 PM

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I wonder if they will buy mine back at a ridiculous price?

Same here.

Guess we wait and see....

SD Blue · #11 08-16-2020, 08:35 AM

Another 2.2 Billion to disappear into a black hole. And we wonder why newer cars are getting so over-priced.

Graham · #12 08-16-2020, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

Same here.

Guess we wait and see....

Being in Canada, the US settlement won't apply. But there is a separate class action here that I am part of.

I got rid of my GLK250 after 5 years. Mainly because of concerns over emission system maintenance cost once warranty expired. Too bad, because I thought I had bought a car that would last me forever, like our W123 diesel. And it is great little car. Too bad we couldn't have got the CDI version.

TimFreeh · #13 08-16-2020, 12:47 PM

My 2013 GLK250 clicked over 100K last night on the way home. I'm the original owner of the car and it's been used mostly in a suburban/rural environment.

I've had zero issues with any emissions components, DPF, SCR system and NOx sensors are untouched. I've done all the maintenance with low ash 229.51 or .52 oii as called for by the maintenance indicators in the car.

Car still drives as-new and its an absolute joy to drive, plan on keeping it for the for the long haul. I'll certainly update the board in the future when I encounter my first emissions related failure.

Over the first 100K miles of operation I've used around 1,300 less gallons of fuel than I would have used had I specified the V-6 gas version of the GLK.

Graham · #14 08-16-2020, 01:36 PM

What the class actions are about, are not the reliability of the Bluetec system (which based on reports, could be questionable), but about the fact that Blutec is designed not to function at all, once the ambient temperatures goes below 10degC.

This was not made known to buyers (nor likely dealers) who may have thought they were buying/selling a "clean" diesel. Depending on where you live, operation at under 10C could be a fairly large percentage of the use. In Europe, where Bluetec was developed certainly an issue and here in Canada perhaps even moreso.

We never had any emissions problems, but we only drove 50K Km in 5 yrs. I did insist they change the early NOx sensors (that were known to fail) before our first trip to USA. When those fail, you get that 10 start limit to get you to nearest dealer!

Our extended warranty did not cover some of the emission components and did not cover us when we were in USA. So she had to go

t walgamuth · #15 08-16-2020, 07:23 PM

I have put over 5K miles on my 015 ML250. So far it has not asked for any of the blue stuff....does that seem normal?