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Old 10-06-2020, 06:16 PM
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Removing Greasecar Kit-please help.

I know. I know.

I would not usually undertake this insanity but its an '85 grey market TD under 200k and she is worth saving. Just bought her to restore to factory. Only driven about 5k miles with the kit installed (its an old used kit)

I need help in general, and also with one specific current issue.
I've been eyeing the system for a few days while also using the car as a daily driver. There is no WVO in the system (tank is clean).

Yesterday I went to start the car and the battery seemed drained, battery is ok, hook up a booster pack anyway, starter cranks and cranks and would almost turn over. Having the Greasecar computer connected (I had disconnected it on day one) made it seem much closer to turning over.

I am absolutely blaming the conversion kit for this. How do I fully disable it?


The big issue-

I want this system out. I don't know where to start. I don't know what the components of this kit even do, or what they're called or what I'm looking at.

I'm so used to my '82-'84s that any little difference in this euro '85 is making me more unsure.

I contacted greasecar about getting the mercedes install manual so I could reverse it, but no word yet.

ok, for the pictures, I'll start with in cabin electrical and move out:


this is the computer
Restoration-1

this is what I found under the kneepanel, and what the computer is connecting to via firewire-three of the greasekit wires are easy to trace, two to the battery and one hooked up to fuse 5.

Restoration-6



Restoration-8

now to the engine bay:


Restoration-3

Restoration-4

Restoration-5

Restoration-7

Restoration-9

I hate this. I love these cars because there's no stupid electronics

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I just looked. Their appear to be PDF files on the installation on the net. I did not get into them though. Indication was they also still may be in business.
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Old 10-06-2020, 08:03 PM
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Thank you, I've tried to get in touch with them (the computer version I have has a dvd for the install I think?) but no response so far....

Can't seem to find a PDF for mercedes though... anyone around here have one laying around?


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I just looked. Their appear to be PDF files on the installation on the net. I did not get into them though. Indication was they also still may be in business.
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1982 300D Mittelblau "Stilton" 172K- she's blue and she's crumbling-parting out!
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Old 10-07-2020, 09:48 AM
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No offense, but before you blame the greasecar system for the issues, I would look at the general and overall condition of the engine. In your pictures I saw a lot of rust and dirt, and a lot of grease/signs of leaks. The picture of the injection pump and spin on fuel filter made me cringe. In general I saw many signs of maintenance neglect that could easily cause your issue. I would change the oil, all new filters (fuel and oil), new fuel tank strainer, and a fresh valve adjustment before I went any further. Just my.02 take it for what it is worth.
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Also, check your glow plugs for function. Pull them out and make sure they all glow white hot. Use a battery and jumper cables. Donít just ohm them out.
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Old 10-07-2020, 10:21 AM
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Also, check your glow plugs for function. Pull them out and make sure they all glow white hot. Use a battery and jumper cables. Donít just ohm them out.
Great point. I was gonna say to check glow system and replace glow plugs as well, but as usual, forgot......
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Old 10-07-2020, 10:58 AM
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No offense taken! This is why I'm here.

She sat for several years before I nabbed her last week. I changed all filters, oil change, did a diesel purge, changed fuel filters again before driving 7 hours home and she's been running beautifully.

I'm just frustrated that it went from instant turnover (every time!) to this, it really just felt like a bad batt but now it feels like I'm not getting any power to the starter, or I killed it cranking.

Fuel tank strainer and valves I have not touched yet, thank you.

The engine bay needs a lot of elbow grease and swapping units from my parts car. I figured I'd get to that once I got the greasecar nonsense out.

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No offense, but before you blame the greasecar system for the issues, I would look at the general and overall condition of the engine. In your pictures I saw a lot of rust and dirt, and a lot of grease/signs of leaks. The picture of the injection pump and spin on fuel filter made me cringe. In general I saw many signs of maintenance neglect that could easily cause your issue. I would change the oil, all new filters (fuel and oil), new fuel tank strainer, and a fresh valve adjustment before I went any further. Just my.02 take it for what it is worth.
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1982 300D Mittelblau "Stilton" 172K- she's blue and she's crumbling-parting out!
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Old 10-07-2020, 11:00 AM
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Also, check your glow plugs for function. Pull them out and make sure they all glow white hot. Use a battery and jumper cables. Donít just ohm them out.
She's been starting strong, but I am going to check everything. this is going on the list, thank you!
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1982 300D Mittelblau "Stilton" 172K- she's blue and she's crumbling-parting out!
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I'm lost on this thread.....

Observation: The alternator has NOTHING to do with starting the car. It charges the battery when the engine is running. All the statements about the alternator turning over is making me scratch my head. Are you talking about the starter motor?!

Question: Is the engine actually cranking (as in rotating) when you turn the key? You state that the "alternator cranks and cranks and would almost turn over." "Turning Over" refers to the engine rotating when the starter motor engages. Is the engine actually rotating? If so, it's "turning over". If it's slow, you have a weak battery or poor battery connections.

Start with the basics as mentioned above. See if the lift pump is moving fuel. If it isn't, try running from a temporary container, perhaps the tank strainer is clogged or there is a fuel shutoff solenoid from the greasecar kit that needs to hit the road.
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Good lord, I am too exhausted to be allowed to type. Yes the starter, of course, after 12 years please believe I know the difference. For shame.

Going to move through the list and if not I've got a buddy to give it the old bang with a broomstick if needed.


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I'm lost on this thread.....

Observation: The alternator has NOTHING to do with starting the car. It charges the battery when the engine is running. All the statements about the alternator turning over is making me scratch my head. Are you talking about the starter motor?!

Question: Is the engine actually cranking (as in rotating) when you turn the key? You state that the "alternator cranks and cranks and would almost turn over." "Turning Over" refers to the engine rotating when the starter motor engages. Is the engine actually rotating? If so, it's "turning over". If it's slow, you have a weak battery or poor battery connections.

Start with the basics as mentioned above. See if the lift pump is moving fuel. If it isn't, try running from a temporary container, perhaps the tank strainer is clogged or there is a fuel shutoff solenoid from the greasecar kit that needs to hit the road.
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Good lord, I am too exhausted to be allowed to type. Yes the starter, of course, after 12 years please believe I know the difference. For shame.

Going to move through the list and if not I've got a buddy to give it the old bang with a broomstick if needed.
So is the starter failing to engage and rotate the engine?
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Old 10-07-2020, 05:04 PM
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Per this pic, you have air in the clear hard line from the lift pump to the fuel filter. It also looks too dark to be diesel. Since you car started and ran fine before, charge up the battery and concentrate on bleeding the veg and air out of the system.

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decent diagram of a system
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Old 10-07-2020, 05:39 PM
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Make sure the fuel tank breather isn't clogged by loosening your fuel cap and listening for suction. If you hear air woosh in, your tank has become a vacuum chamber and you won't get any fuel if the lift pump can't overcome it.
You may also want to check every rubber seal and hose from the tank to the lift pump, to the filter to the IP and back to the filter. Running WVO or bio can and will destroy all the rubber seals and you can be sucking in air this way or bleeding out fuel pressure at the top of the IP if the delivery valve seals are done. It's good practice to do anyway regardless what you run, WVO, bio, or even plain diesel.
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Old 10-10-2020, 05:19 PM
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We have a winner!

So, solenoid stuck open at the 3 port in the grease system was keeping the flow open-no purge of the system with diesel at shutdown.

Then of course, I go to start it the next day and that cold WVO isn't going ANYWHERE.

I bled as much of the oil and air out as possible without the car running and blasted the IP and injectors with two hairdryers (with a 50 foot extension cord, on the street in Brooklyn).

Back in business and joyfully removing all traces of modification.

Thanks so much to everyone for the help, the issue mimicked several other problems so closely that it was a bit tricky to solve.

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