Saving parts in case someone else want them - why? - Page 5 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Adriel · #61 12-26-2020, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

12.22.20, the system says this message is "too short" (?!) so I'm trying a different way to post...

Because your reply was in my quote, so it didn't "see" any text, meaning too short as there wasn't anything.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

Because of the way I am, I'll search out things anyway, I might as well look for things I'll use .

Ah, like I eventually will build a 40 horse, collect the parts for that? That is a good idea.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

I bet you're far better educated than I ~ I know a lot of things but the principle thing I learned as I educated myself is : I know so damn little .

Depends in what. For example, you have far more experience and life skills than I do.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

A vibrator is a crude transformer that boosts the volts to operate the plates in a vacuum tube .

Ah yes, some are up to 400 volts IIRC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

Vacuum tubes have heaters (like the coils in a light bulb) that use low vehicle voltage and then plates that require far more than 12 volts DC so the old tech solution was a vibrator, sort of like the ignition buzz box on a "T" Model Ford in the teens and twenties .

Ah yes. My Hammond organ has a kind of generator which first has to be switch on before turning on the tubes, then once the tubes are on sometimes on cold days takes some time for the tubes to be warm enough to produce sound.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

I hope you never have to fool with a tube radio

All but for a 1970s transistor radio and those for Volkswagens are tube radios and one of them defiantly needs help, got static and station drift. I'm waiting for my friend in Oregon to sort out the other console (Oops beat the hell out of her), the vertical console, and once have a back up radio, as can't be without, then get into sorting the horizontal console out. Your the one who encouraged me to learn and have a go.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

fuel injection differs, I know somewhat how to keep older BOSCH D-Jetronic F.I. running O.K. and the BOSCH CIS (?) system that uses an airbox and clock wheel is (IMO) a good robust system that's easily peaked and tweaked, of course it's also dead easy to screw it up so badly the engine stops running altogether....

I don't quite know which system you refer to, K-Jetronic is CIS however, it doesn't have a clock wheel. To simplify the concept, it has a plate with a lever and as more air is sucked into the intake, the plate is drawn in, and more fuel allowed to pass through the valve the lever acts on. The only other system I can think of is L-Jetronic, which came on the 1975 and later Beetles, has a air box with a vane, I barely know anything about it as haven't had any opportunity to work with it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

O.K., WAY above my pay grade here, I hope I don't make a hash of this: an AM radio receives signals and them internally amplifies them, the circuitry to do this works in a combination of coils, the tubes and soon so when you change a part you're supposed to 'trim' it so everything works in unison and you get clear sound, not static .

That's incredibly simplistic but I hope it gives you an idea .

Interesting, appreciate the explanation. My curiosity be if all the capacitors and resistors were the same value, how would there be a difference to adjust out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

See now, that's what keeps me from getting started ~ I have one partially disassembled vintage LBC back there, it was supposed to be a major brake job but the 'might as wells' took over and ran away, the engine and tranny have been out for a few years now and I'd hate to kill this old Beetle the same way .

Well, how bad do you want reverse lights? What about what Bill suggested and set deadline? Why couldn't the r and r take just a week at most?

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

Women are good , just don't let yourself get too caught in in the switches ~ I used to have a beautiful psycho-B*tch girlfriend the sex was the best Id ever had and we had the same strange childhoods so we saw eye to eye on most things but when we wound up on the front page of the newspaper I realized it was time to step off .

Actually, once I have the bread, going to use E Harmony and see if can skip to the right one to settle down and share a lifetime with.

Regarding making the news, wow, that is crazy! I would have clipped the article out as a reminder of no crazy ones.

Adriel · #62 12-26-2020, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

Bendix was first and foremost an engineering company, I've yet to find a bad product of theirs .

So on par with Becker radios?

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

Motorola too made affordable and hard to kill radios for the OEM's into the 1990's .

Interesting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

DELCO back in the day made sturdy radios that worked well and got signals in to boonies where other brands didn't .

Wonder what the difference was.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

I've forgotten who made the millions of auto radios SEARS sold in the 1960's & 1970's, they were absolute crap .

I bet if Dad got a radio in the early days it be from Montgomery Wards, his folks bought everything there, even a wall heater when they remodeled.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

I've seen new reproduction radio knobs in ivory, gray and black for the standards and Typ II's .

Okay, good to know they can be changed out, look a bit tired too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

They're out there, doesn't Phoenix have a Bug-O-Rama annually ? .

I don't know, I was going to look for events and then the pandemic happened.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

There used to be a big VW junkyard on the South side of Phoenix, the young man who ran it 20 years ago was really nice and I was able to find several 1968 only Typ II parts and he didn't say "! that's RARE !" even once...

The only one I find is AZ VW PARTS, happen to remember if that is it?

Nice he didn't charge extra because of being rare.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

Parts and junked older VW's are still out there, you have to enjoy the hunting aspect, I do, many don't .

I do enjoy the hunt, sometimes I am missing a tool or two.

I did learn of a place in Albuquerque, does have the fenders, however, says the shipping be more than the cost of fenders. Being I didn't have the bread, I didn't go farther, just wanted to know for when do. I was thinking to see if a transport service give a better rate, I used that for shipping the bookcases Dad made here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

After I got burned on The SAMBA I discovered there's a feed back page and of course, the @$$hat who clipped me, had done so to many others before and was unrepentant as most thieves and crooks are .

I have had the same.

vwnate1 · #63 12-26-2020, 12:00 PM

Beckers tend to be fancier, even the older ones .

Bendix made solid, reliable and long lasting things at a reasonable price point why the American OEMs and VWoA chose them .

Delco made good stuff until the bean counters that nearly killed the Generous Motors Corporation got in charge...

They managed to made crappy fleet option AM only radios for trucks that didn't last four years, were un serviceable and not sold as replacements...

Now AC DELCO is delphi or some such crap .

I'm still servicing DELCO switches from the 1950's and 1960's and returning them to service...

The reason cheaper radios don't work well (poor sound quality) or get good clear signal is co$t and nothing else ~ good look up Mad Man Muntz T.V. sets ~ to reduce manufacturing cost after the initial design he experimented cutting out simple parts to see if it still worked, they did but very poorly, why that effort failed in a burgeoning market .

The air vane BOSCH F.I. was used on 1,800 CC Typ IV's and the F.I. Beetles, it has the clock spring and also the fuel pump contacts that stop working, both easy to clean and adjust being well engineered IMO .

Sometimes backfires would bend the air vane (it's actually an "L" shaped bit of pot metal) and that's game over for the air box, I've seen a few bent back but in general there are N.O.S. or good used ones, a better way to go .

Don't be some impressed by anything I do, you play the organ it seems, I wish I had any musical talent at all as I love music .

? Didja know that Hammond organs are where the idea for ABS brakes came from ? .

Science is neat .

Montgomery Wards, SEARS, J.C. Penny were giants back on the day, SEARS sold houses and automobiles (cheap and crappy Henry J's) and Montgomery Wards sold Motocycles, Italian Benelli's - I used to have a 192? SEARS catalog that had darn near everything you could imagine .

I made a complete reply using the 'quote' button, in the past it's always worked, this time it wouldn't so I opened another tab and used copy & paste .

If you decide to build a 40 horse engine, look at the case first ~ the split, right under the fan housing is wider in *only* that area in the 1965 and later 40hp engines, this indicates it's machined for cam bearings, a very important thing indeed as far too many don't change the oil so the bearing surfaces in the crank case get "wiped" and over sized, caousing serious lack of oil pressure and circulation, so much so that an over size oil pump won't correct it plus the cam wobbles in the bearing bores so the valves clatter more than necessary and of course you now that valves need to be loose and noisy or they won't last long .

If I could find a decent right front fender with harness tube for my '59 #113 I'd drive to New Mexico to get it, I like to drive.....

I'm sure there are plenty here in So. Cal. I just need to find one, it needn't be perfect, just the correct part .

I need the front bonnet too .

Anytime you replace a radio part, they entire thing needs to be adjusted as all parts have slight manufacturing tolerances ~ same as replacing the points in your engine : you get the gap as closely as you cann but every .001" variance of points gap is a 3 degree difference in ignition timing and that's critical .

Point gap sets the coil saturation and forces hoter sparks, timing is where in the piston's travel the spar occurs and so creates more or less power and also affects bearing life (pounding) and combustion chamber heat , so on and so forth...

36 & 40hp VW engines are easy to make haul ass by adding too much timing advance but they then tend to break crankshafts....

1300, 1500 & 1600 engine have sturdier bottom ends to if you give too much advance they get to hot and burn holes in the piston crowns or cause the two piece valves to fail (valve head comes off at speed) .

I'm prolly boring the hell out of many following this thread, maybe you should go off line ? (or, not) .

As far as life experiences, I'd not wish my life on a dog, it's fine now but wasn't for many years, I'm just too stubborn (stupid maybe) to quit so I worked assiduously at learning from every moment, good, bad or indifferent .

Adriel · #64 12-26-2020, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

Beckers tend to be fancier, even the older ones .

Okay.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

Bendix made solid, reliable and long lasting things at a reasonable price point why the American OEMs and VWoA chose them .

Appreciate the explanation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

The reason cheaper radios don't work well (poor sound quality) or get good clear signal is co$t and nothing else ~ good look up Mad Man Muntz T.V. sets ~ to reduce manufacturing cost after the initial design he experimented cutting out simple parts to see if it still worked, they did but very poorly, why that effort failed in a burgeoning market .

Thanks for the Mad Man Muntz suggestion, very interesting. He certainly was a character.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

The air vane BOSCH F.I. was used on 1,800 CC Typ IV's and the F.I. Beetles, it has the clock spring and also the fuel pump contacts that stop working, both easy to clean and adjust being well engineered IMO .

Sometimes backfires would bend the air vane (it's actually an "L" shaped bit of pot metal) and that's game over for the air box, I've seen a few bent back but in general there are N.O.S. or good used ones, a better way to go .

I had wondered about the later busses, not enough to go looking. Also, as I undersand L-Jetronic gets fussy when the vacuum hoses get old as induces unmetered air (L stands for Luft, which is German for air).

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

Don't be some impressed by anything I do, you play the organ it seems, I wish I had any musical talent at all as I love music .

Ditto, as I wouldn't say well, self taught as first learned to play the piano (which the one I learned on is a spinet and is now in one of the bedrooms turned into a multipurpose room with an industrial sewing machine and a wall of bookcases crammed full of books). I need to dedicate more time and also the piano desperately needs refelting and bi-annual tuning, hasn't even been done since moved from California.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

? Didja know that Hammond organs are where the idea for ABS brakes came from ? .

Science is neat .

Nope, another interesting fact. What is the connection?

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

Montgomery Wards, SEARS, J.C. Penny were giants back on the day, SEARS sold houses and automobiles (cheap and crappy Henry J's) and Montgomery Wards sold Motocycles, Italian Benelli's - I used to have a 192? SEARS catalog that had darn near everything you could imagine .

I know, just found it amusing buying a wall heater from Monkey Wards. Now they have been replaced by Amazon.
.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

If you decide to build a 40 horse engine, look at the case first ~ the split, right under the fan housing is wider in *only* that area in the 1965 and later 40hp engines, this indicates it's machined for cam bearings, a very important thing indeed as far too many don't change the oil so the bearing surfaces in the crank case get "wiped" and over sized, caousing serious lack of oil pressure and circulation, so much so that an over size oil pump won't correct it plus the cam wobbles in the bearing bores so the valves clatter more than necessary and of course you now that valves need to be loose and noisy or they won't last long .

I already know it is a June 1964 case, can't ask Dad if has been machined for camshaft bearings. If not, certainly have the case machined for them. Dad always changed the oil at 3,000 miles, I bet the bearings, lifters, and camshaft lobes are in great shape. Hopefully will not need a rebuild for a very long time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

If I could find a decent right front fender with harness tube for my '59 #113 I'd drive to New Mexico to get it, I like to drive.....

Here is the advert, does do texting: https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/pts/d/albuquerque-vw-bug-parts/7236777511.html.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

I'm sure there are plenty here in So. Cal. I just need to find one, it needn't be perfect, just the correct part .

Well there is something you can do to move the project forward.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

Anytime you replace a radio part, they entire thing needs to be adjusted as all parts have slight manufacturing tolerances ~ same as replacing the points in your engine : you get the gap as closely as you cann but every .001" variance of points gap is a 3 degree difference in ignition timing and that's critical .

Ah, of course. Thank you for satisfying a curiosity.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

I'm prolly boring the hell out of many following this thread, maybe you should go off line ? (or, not) .

How could anyone find this boring? Lots of useful information, though has slightly gone off topic...

vwnate1 · #65 12-27-2020, 04:24 AM

The tone wheel was the thing .

I sent that guy a note, we'll see what he's got .

Topic drift, I love it because folks tend to teach when they talk about things, some are too tight assed and get all weird when the topic drifts .

Me, I enjoy learning new things .

Adriel · #66 12-27-2020, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

The tone wheel was the thing .

Unable to find any information on the internet, though logically makes sense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

I sent that guy a note, we'll see what he's got .

Good, hopefully does. If does, Murphy's Law seems then the parts will show up locally.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

Topic drift, I love it because folks tend to teach when they talk about things, some are too tight assed and get all weird when the topic drifts .

Me, I enjoy learning new things .

There is a reason I been going along with it.

I am appreciative and hope others are, lots of good information, if nothing else, entertaining.

vwnate1 · #67 12-27-2020, 11:30 AM

God knows we can use some entertainment these days .

Looks like the Norton Club's annual New Year's Eve Moring Ride is on for Thursday .

I may drag out my old Beemer and ride it, it had narrow bar and that's tough for my mangled body and dangerous if I encounter ice like I did last year .

We're supposed to get cold rain to - night and all day to - morrow so likely to encounter snow if not ice on the Angeles Crest Highway .

Adriel · #68 12-27-2020, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1

God knows we can use some entertainment these days .

Looks like the Norton Club's annual New Year's Eve Moring Ride is on for Thursday .

I may drag out my old Beemer and ride it, it had narrow bar and that's tough for my mangled body and dangerous if I encounter ice like I did last year .

We're supposed to get cold rain to - night and all day to - morrow so likely to encounter snow if not ice on the Angeles Crest Highway .

Well, hopefully dries out before the ride. Says 17 percent chance of rain Tuesday, certainly looks like we will get the cold as be in the mid 30s. Damn, I am already freezing and it is 64 degrees outside (68 inside as the heater isn't working, too cold). Ha. Well, did have a little warmer Winter, as the sycamore has been slow to turn and just started dropping leaves. Can't wait until Spring comes and get some gardening done (non vegetable kind), lots needs doing.

Adriel · #69 01-11-2021, 12:58 PM

Nate, stumbled on this,

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tons-of-60s-VW-Bug-parts-This-Auction-is-for-a-1967-right-Door-only-/401767296799?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10, maybe has the hood and fenders you are looking for?

vwnate1 · #70 01-12-2021, 11:54 AM

THANK YOU ! .

I'll give him a shout & see .

vwnate1 · #71 01-13-2021, 05:18 PM

Thank you ! .

I contacted that guy he only has a few bits and bobs for 1960's VW's .

Adriel · #72 05-13-2021, 07:56 PM

How quickly time goes when others take it.

Got looking through the stashes and now here to determine if any worth in:
Wagen interiors, including seats, seatbelts, door linings, and trim
Electric window motors
Side glass, rubber seals, and trim
Gutter trim
Bumper rubber
Generation two climate control including the heater core
Vacuum pods

Here are a couple pictures of one stash.

TIA

BillGrissom · #73 05-13-2021, 11:49 PM

I could be termed a hoarder too. It is all useless junk until you need it, which is often the part you tossed the week before.

Adriel · #74 05-15-2021, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillGrissom

I could be termed a hoarder too. It is all useless junk until you need it, which is often the part you tossed the week before.

I would love to be so well off as could have an outbuilding, say 12x16, to store all these parts and a four vehicle garage (have to have one space available in case do get married).

As much as I love the OM617, I don't think will ever have another, so those parts need to go, either sell, donate, or throw away.

After Dad passed, my life was never again the same, plans completely changed. One change was the decision to significantly reduce my estate so at least be less of a burden when do die, we don't know when it will happen.

The other was inheriting Dad's Beetle. So now I am faced with having not enough space and as much as hate it, will have to sell the 280TE. To make it easier, do plan to enjoy her for a year. The plan is to pack her full of the left over parts, as do not see me having another W123, which hurts just saying that. I only have one vehicle garage and one vehicle carport.

Now this of course could all change if found a lady who enjoys driving W123s.