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There is different selections and lengths ground straps on places like eBay. |
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Wild… This light would come on from time to time so I assumed it worked OK. Fresh bulb and everything appears to be fine. This has me reading a bit about upgrading ground wires around the battery/starter. Switching to 2 or even 1 AWG. I run a few power-hungry stereo components, amps and what have you, starting to think it might not be a bad idea |
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I’m agnostic. The reason had more to do with the electrical system as a whole. Specifically referring to d911’s posts. |
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For some reason the cable chart I found shows the diameter of the cables with insulation. When you look at that the closest to the Mercedes .410 diameter is 2 gauge which is .418 but I have no spec on the wire diameter. |
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A 2 gauge (AWG) conductor is ~ .25". |
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If you check our correspondence in the past, you'll find I've been immensely grateful for you guidance. And still am. I've learned a great deal from you. I found your phrasing a little abrasive, but I do apologize if I've given you the wrong impression. |
Sorry if I missed some posts. A few quickies:
The alternator in my 1985 300D is termed "Motorola-style" on a web-site about them. Also used by GM at that time. It has self-generated field power, which has to "boot up". It uses current on the return side of the dash bulbs for that. Originally just the "BATT" bulb, but looks like from 3 dash bulbs by 1985. If your dash bulb(s) doesn't light on key-on, the Owner's Manual states to immediately drive to a dealer for "emergency bulb swap". Today's owners are hopefully less helpless. If you use LED bulbs in your dash like me, that doesn't provide enough "boot-up" current. However, there is generally enough residual magnetism in the rotor to boot-up if you rev >1000 rpm. The dash bulbs go out once booted-up. The OP sees that, so has no real problem. If you want an emergency fix, the blue exciter wire has a connector clipped to the aft side of the coolant reservoir (1982-85 300D). You could unplug that and apply current to the alternator side of the connector, with engine idling. I wouldn't apply 12 VDC directly since might smoke something. You could carry a ~100 ohm resistor between BATT+ and that connector to provide a reasonable boot-up current. Of course, just rev'ing the engine is much easier if that works. Re. BATT- ground, there is a thick ground strap between transmission and frame on the driver's side, off a bell-housing bolt. Corrosion there was a problem for me once, which I noted because I saw smoke from the speedometer cable as I cranked the engine when the dash was pulled out, so it was using that metal as the ground path. Since aluminum oxide is a poor conductor, I removed that connector, sanded all surfaces, coated with silicone grease re-bolted. This was in a CA car, so I imagine much worse in the salty North. Also, clean the BATT- to frame connections right by the battery. Cleaning battery terminals is an annual task in the East, which is why even grocery stores sell a battery brush. |
Thanks Bill. In the end, it was a corroded battery bulb causing the issue.
I cleaned my ground strap connection a few months ago, but didn't know enough to inspect the strap itself for corrosion. Good point re: cleaning battery ground. |
This has been an enlightening thread.
I think I should have checked my bulbs before buying the new alternator last month. But, my original was 11 years old with worn down brushes so maybe it was time. The bulb issue and “boot up” Bill mentions makes a ton of sense. I had no idea a working idiot light was actually necessary for a functional charging system. Btw my bulbs always worked. I had measured the low charging voltage before blipping with a meter at the battery. On my todo now is put in a new charge light bulb. And, check my ground straps...I haven’t looked at the tranny one in a few years. I remember it was the wire rope type on the SD. I guess it’s cheap insurance to just get new ones. |
Suppose it’s been documented, but I still find it quite surprising.
I posted this in the other thread, I got an additional .2v alternator output by simply cleaning my battery ground cable. It was not visibly corroded. I inspected my ground strap about a year ago and cleaned the connections, though to be honest, I wasn't totally sure what to look for. I too have the braided rope type. I think you might be right regarding cheap insurance. |
Part of my alternator upgrade was to add an ancillary ground cable from the negative battery cable/chassis ground bolt connection to one of the unused tapped holes in the alternator housing.
See photo # 4 in post #2 in the link above. A more direct negative cable connection (about 3 feet) is an improvement over the stock (about 10 foot) path from the alternator housing to the negative battery terminal. Good grounds help keep the electrical gremlins away. :D |
I was reading this thread last week and by Friday last week my alternator crapped out........('77 300D)
Finally got around to checking things today. I had only installed a new voltage reg with new brushes 3 years ago and it had not done much mileage since, being parked up for 2 years. Just to make sure, I check the connections at the alternator plug: 12.81V at both the output wires, 12.52 at the excitement lead. Obviously this voltage drop is expected with the bulb in the circuit. So I yanked the alternator out, and pulled the reg brush unit out and found a brush had broken off. The remnants of the broken brush had worn like it was touching the slip ring but obviously not enough to work properly. Obviously if I had paid attention to the weak and flickering battery light I would've known something was up a lot sooner, the battery light is for some reason on this dash cluster the worn brake pad light and I'd forgotten. I don't know what caused the brush to break as the slip rings were fine however there was probably a mm radial play in the rearmost bearing which isn't good. Ended up taking the alt off my '78 which is a Motorola unit. Cleaned the terminals, checked the brushes etc. 4.3 ohms on the field coil. (Old alt was 3.6, FWIW) Works great, but! Back to having to blip the throttle to energise the alternator again (same happened with the '78 I removed this alt from). The old one, before it played up, wouldn't. Although I know many other diesels do it. So, in this instance, the alternator itself is to blame.... |
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