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1: Air ingress. Super common source is the fuel preheater system that I mentioned way back in this thread and you ignored. Air problems in these cars will usually work themselves out in the first 30 seconds or so of running. 2: Compression. Again, mentioned by myself and others and ignored. Compression results from 2011 are irrelevant in 2021. 3: Worn injectors. I really do not care if the car hasn't moved an inch since 2007 when they were last checked. Things change.
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When I had my 300SDL tuned properly, I had multiple highway trips where I did 28-30mpg in it. If converted to Imperial gallons, that would be 33-36mpg Imperial. Assuming the OP is reporting in Imperial gallons, it's a very believable figure.
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Considering how the OP is fixated on finding something else wrong, I'd be surprised if anything else was done to them other than looking at them and checking pop pressure. There's so much more to injectors than just what pressure they pop at. Spray pattern, chatter, internal leakdown, and external leaking are all super important parts of the puzzle that are easy to overlook.
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With the crank and cam at 0 timing, look in the hole on the side of the IP and check that the timing mark is centered in the hole. If it is, great. If it isn't, you can loosen the adjustment bolts on the IP and rotate it until it is. Be aware that with freshly rebuilt injectors, or after doing delivery valve seals, it's normal for these engines to be pretty noisy. Even with worn in DV's and injectors they have a bit of a "cackle" at idle due to the vertical injection and starburst shaped combustion chamber in the piston crown. The later engines with inclined injection and the "moose horn" shaped combustion chamber are extremely quiet in comparison.
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Correct. I forgot to skip ahead to ATDC after checking cam/crank timing. Some vehicles are 14ATDC others are 15ATDC, a sticker on the radiator support should show which is used on the vehicle in question. My '86 300SDL was 14ATDC, and the '91 350SD was 15ATDC for reference.
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I will do steps 1 and 2 once I get around them, and I will post my results. I pop tested the injectors last month, and all of them were at 1900 PSI (131 Bar). All of them had good spray patterns. |
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2 years ago, I replaced the IP delivery valve seals. Last edited by Deutscheauto; 03-15-2021 at 01:11 PM. Reason: missing information |
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I have been able to resolve this issue with your support. Thanks for your help and persuasion to make this change, and finally eliminate one of the issues. |
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That fuel heater thermostat is a terrible design. I've never had one that didn't leak air (none ever leaked fuel), even after rebuilding with new O-rings. It is the most common source of air in the fuel system on the 60x engines. The lift pump is very aggressive and the fuel preheater system is on the suction side of the pump. The O-ring in the plastic end of the preheater thermostat does not provide good protection against air ingress on the suction pulses from the lift pump. The issue is compounded because MB chose to use fuel line smaller than Bosch recommends so the suction in the lift side of the fuel lines is much higher than it should be.
The next most common source of air ingress is the rubber fuel lines under the hood. The correct size is 7.5mm. The way the barbs are formed on the metal fuel lines at the firewall, 8mm or 5/16" hose will NOT clamp down tightly and WILL allow air ingress.
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Interesting. I replaced my lines recently with IIRC 5/16 hose and engine seems louder, but it coincided in time with new injectors. Maybe they do take up air I'll need to investigate!
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Stick clear tubing on the return line from the filter to the hard line on the firewall. You'll see it full of air in the morning with the 5/16" hose. Believe me, I tried 4 different brands and 3 different types of hose clamps after everyone on this forum was ADAMANT that 5/16 is fine. It simply isn't and several other people here have had the exact same experience I have. It'll work for a few days to a couple weeks, but it *WILL* leak air. Perhaps on the 61x cars it's fine, but NOT on a 60x car.
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