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Skippy 03-21-2021 06:33 PM

Gauge Cluster Issues
 
While troubleshooting a different problem, I had my gauge cluster out and apart. I've put it back together wrong, apparently. New issues: Gauge lights don't work. Fuel gauge pegs at full on startup, and temp gauge goes to full within a minute or two of starting. High beam indicator stays on. Other info: The rheostat has a jumper soldered across it. There is also a jumper from the rheostat to the #3 pin on the round electrical connector to work around a bit of the PCB that flaked off years ago. I originally installed it years ago, and it came off as I was pulling the cluster. I got Pin 3 based off a post I saw on this site, but I'm not sure that's correct.

What did I do wrong?

Edit: The patient is the '83 300D in my signature.

H-townbenzoboy 03-22-2021 03:38 AM

You may have put the 15 pin plug in wrong and shorted some stuff. It's a keyed plug, but it does happen. Or your ground might be wonky now after this last cluster R&R and may need a new ground cable from the cluster to the ground behind the dash.

Skippy 03-23-2021 12:37 AM

I'd consider having the keyed connector in wrong unlikely. However, the ground thing sounds quite plausible. What are some good places to connect an auxiliary ground?

vwnate1 03-23-2021 12:41 AM

Proper Grounding
 
Use an part of the body, use a star typ lock washer under the nut and ring lead .

German cars use brown wire for grounds .

MS Fowler 03-23-2021 06:24 AM

I have seen where the keyed part of the plug had broken off making it very easy to misalign the connector.

dieselbenz1 03-23-2021 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 4152787)
I have seen where the keyed part of the plug had broken off making it very easy to misalign the connector.

X2

Skippy 03-24-2021 11:02 PM

The D-shaped key was still there when I had it apart last, and I didn't have to use much force to get it in. We'll see when I take it apart this weekend. I do wonder how a ground issue could result in the high beam indicator being on, albeit too dimly to see it during the day.

steeleygreg 03-25-2021 01:41 AM

One way to test out the cluster ground circuit is to use a long test cable. Connect one end to the battery grnd point the other end would go to the grnd point on the wiring harness. Using a continuity meter will verify the wiring harness grnd point to the cluster. If the key "D" shaped connector is still connected to the plug then I can't see how this would cause a problem.
MB's have a funky issue with with grnd circuits. In electricity devices will seek the least resistant path to ground and can take out other circuits in the process.
Please don't ask how I know this......

optimusprime 03-26-2021 08:29 AM

multi plug
 
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Any good .W123 diesel

vwnate1 03-26-2021 02:10 PM

Poor Grounds & Current Backflow
 
" I do wonder how a ground issue could result in the high beam indicator being on, albeit too dimly to see it during the day."

It glows because the indicator lamp is providing a poor ground path .

Like the millions of old 50's & 60' GM products that have a dim taillight that goes out when you step on the brake : the secondary filament provides a ground path until you energize that circuit then the light goes out .

Auto electrics isn't rocket science, you just need to learn it by doing, you'll get this fixed ere long .

Skippy 03-27-2021 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by vwnate1 (Post 4152726)
Use an part of the body, use a star typ lock washer under the nut and ring lead .

German cars use brown wire for grounds .

Where on the cluster?

Felching 03-27-2021 11:20 PM

Any screw on the speedometer.

Skippy 03-27-2021 11:36 PM

I'll try that.

vwnate1 03-28-2021 02:59 AM

Binnacle Ground Connection
 
I'd take a photo and post it if it wasn't so god damned difficult to do so, it used to be simple, now it's almost impossible to upload any attachments .

Skippy 03-28-2021 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Felching (Post 4154091)
Any screw on the speedometer.

It seems to have worked. The fuel gauge is now reading a plausible value instead of pegging full. I'd take it for a test drive, but I'm going to walk over and grab a pambazo first. It will be a few hours before it's dark enough to tell if I fixed the dash lights. I may work on the Jag a little bit.

Felching 03-30-2021 01:12 AM

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The white wire is my grounding connection. The other end goes to the ground point in the dash (where the bunch of brown wires are) with a Deutsch DT connector pin as a quick connect between.


The LM7812 voltage regulator keeps the cluster LED lights alive. Otherwise they start flickering and fail within a year, oddly out of every other light being replaced with LED its only those that failed consistently until I added the regulator.

Skippy 03-30-2021 03:25 AM

It turns out I had an incomplete success. Everything's working right except the dash lights. Know that I know I have a good ground, it's got to be a power issue. Like I said before, the PCB is knackered, and I have some wire bypassing the fault. I guess it's time to re-do that.

Felching 04-06-2021 12:35 AM

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Its a good point to NEVER remove cluster bulbs with the lights on, they can short across which will melt the PCB traces.

Skippy 04-08-2021 11:03 PM

Problem solved. I soldered a new jumper wire from the back of the PCB to the far side of the rheostat. Then I realized I had the wire on the wrong pin. Moved it to the right one, and now I'm good.


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