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Old 07-20-2021, 10:13 PM
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I'm looking at this strictly from the angle of the oil cooler lines goin tango uniform. Should this failure occur, does it really matter if you're being made aware of "low pressure" or "low quantity"? In this catastrophic scenario, I tend to believe the driver needs to be alerted to SOMETHING and damn fast. Visual, audible, pressure, quantity, does it really matter? Just something else besides that tiny needle on the oil pressure gauge, silently dropping to zero, is what I'm talking about. Personally, I'd have about a snowballs chance in h-e-double hockey sticks noticing that before it's too late. FWIW, if oil cooler lines went south, I'd think you'd see pressure loss before all the oil was on the ground. I don't have proof....just a guess.
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Old 07-20-2021, 10:17 PM
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get something like the oil light kit on amazon

and plumb into the oil system

https://www.ebay.com/itm/270741238800?epid=655428043&hash=item3f096f7410:g:NukAAOSw0h9ZttVA
Something like that would work, the $64,000 question though is how and where would you plumb it into the system?
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Old 07-21-2021, 09:06 AM
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Considering sensing pressure loss versus volume loss, I'm likewise more inclined to the latter. I've looked at pictures of some of the M-B sensors, "float switch", but I do wonder:
Wouldn't it be rather challenging to figure out the optimal or near optimal level on the pan to mount it? Maybe I'm overthinking it or missing something obvious...
Somewhere between the low mark on the dipstick and the oil pump suction. If you took the lower pan off you would probably see both and could measure off of the flange and then mark it on the lower pan.
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Somewhere between the low mark on the dipstick and the oil pump suction. If you took the lower pan off you would probably see both and could measure off of the flange and then mark it on the lower pan.
Yes, you are correct. It has been some years now since I removed an oil pan on a 617.952 and your explanantion brought back the visual memories for me. That would cover it. Thank you for the clarification.
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Something like that would work, the $64,000 question though is how and where would you plumb it into the system?


I'm thinking port 23 in the diagram

or tap the case itself in a "pressure positive" area
above the "B" port
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Old 07-21-2021, 09:35 AM
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I'm thinking port 23 in the diagram...
To my way of thinking, port 23 would be the least invasive location and would require finding an appropriate "T" that would provide a female port for the pressure gauge line and a port, male or female, for the appropriate sensor like Diesel911 used.
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Old 07-21-2021, 09:45 AM
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Port 23 looks like it would be perfect. Now as others have asked, is there a sensor available that would provide both a pressure reading for the mechanical dashboard gauge and an appropriate electrical signal for a warning light, or a "T" fitting as 5cylinder mentioned above?

Otherwise in a pinch Diesel911's solution of tapping the oil filter lid for a pressure switch would work. Does anyone know if he ever found a decent source of +12v only when the key is in the run position?
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Old 07-21-2021, 10:39 AM
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If you drill the Oil Filter Cap/Lid be aware that there is casting ribs you need to avoid drilling through. So plan where you are going to drill.
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Old 07-21-2021, 10:56 AM
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or even better have the sensor activate a vacuum switch that would activate the shutoff automatically.
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Old 07-21-2021, 11:16 AM
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...is there a sensor available that would provide both a pressure reading for the mechanical dashboard gauge and an appropriate electrical signal for a warning light...
For a sensor, I would be using something along the lines of what Diesel911 showed in post #1 of this thread:
Low oil pressure alarm for 617.952
I would thread it into the aforementioned "T" fitting (if I found a suitable one).

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Does anyone know if he [Diesel911] ever found a decent source of +12v only when the key is in the run position?
It seems to me that post #9 of the above thread has a brilliant method for supplying power though with this caveat: I have not validated it against the wiring schematic for my vehicle.
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Old 07-21-2021, 12:26 PM
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Port 23 looks like it would be perfect. Now as others have asked, is there a sensor available that would provide both a pressure reading for the mechanical dashboard gauge and an appropriate electrical signal for a warning light, or a "T" fitting as 5cylinder mentioned above?
I believe you'd have to engineer one. Not too difficult, but not as simple as buying something ready made.

Another easy solution, although not truly a sensor - put a metal strip under the oil pressure needle, and drill two metal contacts at the "1" level , spaced 1mm apart. The needle will close the circuit crossing that level and sound the alarm. Ugly, but simplest.
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Generally, I think the best prevention of a mishap is tending to the root cause by checking your dipstick and oil cooler lines every week or so.
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Old 07-21-2021, 02:04 PM
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This is a topic on my mind lately. The coolant reservoir tank on my 300D (1984) was leaking about six months ago, and as many of you know, the replacement is a perfect fit, but it’s for later model cars that had a coolant reservoir level sensor. One needs to buy a plug in order to use it on a 123. I thought why not buy the sensor instead, as it also plugs the hole and I’d have the option to install a light and audible alarm.

I haven’t done it yet, need to get on that. I’ve found some aftermarket audible alarm kits for a more thorough monitoring of temperature. Before I buy one I want to research it pretty well so that I know whether or not I can find the correct wire under the dash to attach to it.

Worse comes to worse, I could just find the senders on the engine and send a new wire through the firewall and attach the alarm at the bottom of the dash. I think. What I don’t know is if the amperage sent by the senders is sufficient to be tapped into for such extra extra-curricular activities.

I almost lost my SDL in fall ‘19 when the radiator blew. I had thought that I noticed the coolant reservoir light blink on. At which point I looked at the temperature gauge and it was just entering the red zone IIRC. But I’m not sure, the light may have been on for 20 seconds, one minute, who knows. When I popped the hood, steam was everywhere, better than black smoke anyway. That engine recently did a belly up, perhaps delayed reaction, the symptoms were cracked head or blown gasket. A good mechanic, a 603 aficionado who fixes some of the things that I can’t fix found a low miles 603, got it, the tranny, and the driveline.

I went for it in large part because my existing tranny was leaking bad and I think had sustained some damage over the years. It was leaking when I got it, God only knows what the previous owner did as far as timely topping off. Will be complete one of these days soon. I want to make sure no disasters happen with this motor. It has the benefit of the all aluminum radiator, which I suspect is superior to the original OEM unit.
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Old 07-21-2021, 02:17 PM
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Generally, I think the best prevention of a mishap is tending to the root cause by checking your dipstick and oil cooler lines every week or so.
True enough. When I got my 300D, found it at the indie garage in Eugene, Oregon where my SDL was towed after the above calamity, the oil cooler lines were leaking a bit at the radiator. A bit too much actually. He who shall not be linked said that they should be replaced at any sign of leakage, as if they fail, you will pump the oil out quicker than you know what hit you.

It was a slightly challenging job. I survived somehow. I did loudly say a few naughty words/sentences that included the words Mercedes Benz.
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Is the OEM oil cooler brass?

If so an extreme option is the pull the oil cooler
and have a competent radiator craftsman drill and braze the tank
for both a pressure port and a temp port of the desired
fitting dimensions.

If it's aluminum it has to be tig / mig welded.

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