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OM616 on a test stand
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So I bought a 616.916 with manual transmission, I've never owned anything like this before so there are lots of new things to become familiar with. I intend to use it in something like a Model A speedster but I'm still looking for a chassis to start with. In the meantime I want to get the engine running well.
It came from a W115 that was being swapped to a 2JZ, owner said he drove it for a while with the 616 and always wanted to swap it. So when the starter failed he pulled the whole thing out and started the swap rather than fixing it. I have not tested the starter to confirm. I built a test stand for the motor, just waiting for motor mounts to arrive so I can finish it up. Attachment 163072Attachment 163073 I've been looking over everything and I was hoping you guys could help answer some questions I'm having a hard time with, since I never had a whole car some things are just unclear when looking at this. 1. Where does the valve cover breather tube connect to? On some pictures I've seen it goes to the fitting on the bottom side of the intake manifold, but there is no where for it to go on mine and I don't have the tube itself. Attachment 163074Attachment 163075 2. What are the bolts on the intake runners for? Attachment 163076 |
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3. What size bolts should fit into the front of the head? I normally work on Japanese stuff so I have a big bucket of random fasteners and nothing fits. Is the German stuff a different thread pitch? Or do you think the threads in the head may be messed up? How many bolts should the water pump have? I see some extra holes that don't have bolts in them.
Attachment 163078 4. Where should the vacuum lines be plumbed to from the vacuum pump? One goes from the intake manifold to pull fresh air? And the other? I assume some sort of vacuum manifold would have been used to distribute vacuum to multiple places in the car? Can I send this directly to a brake booster if I use power brakes? If I don't use power brakes I assume I can just remove the vacuum pump altogether? Attachment 163079 5. How is the fuel cutoff arm operated? Pull back/up? What is that rubber mount for? Can I get rid of the mount? Attachment 163080Attachment 163081 |
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6. Can I block off the heater core water outlets on the side of the head and water pump if I'm not running a heater?
Attachment 163087Attachment 163089 7. Are 3 points of support enough for engine and transmission? I see some other brackets on the bottom of the engine and transmission but the only mounts I found for sale were 2 on the engine and the one on the tail of the transmission. Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything I need. 8. Is it common to have part numbers starting with 615 on parts on the 616 engine? I assume these are just leftover from the previous OM615 in the W115, and when Mercedes changed over to the 616 they didn't need to change any of those parts. Or do you think this 616 engine was swapped into this car at some point? Attachment 163090 9. Does this engine have 2 water temp sensors? I see one at the thermostat housing, at one on the side of the head? Attachment 163091Attachment 163092 |
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10. Do the throttle arm pivots look bent to you? Or are they supposed to be like that?
Attachment 163093 11. Do I need the throttle butterflies in the intake? Could I remove them and use just a single arm from my throttle pedal to the injection pump? I've seen some other cars without them and I'd much prefer not to have all those pivots and rods running everywhere. Attachment 163094 Anything else you can see on here that I should know? My plan is to do the bare minimum to make it run just to make sure it's worth working on, then I'll do all the maintenance on it, oil change, fuel filters, valve adjust, tstat, etc... |
Wow, that turned out to be a lot. I had to split it up due to the photo limit. Let me know if you guys want to see anything else.
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you have a vacuum operated pump, do not remove the butterfly valve or the pipe running from the throttle to the pump.
the rod connected to the pump is only the idle damper, and can be removed if you want, just helps smooth low idle heater pipe nipples can be removed AFAIK the engine gasses where just piped into the intake before the butterfly assembly. can also be vented to outside if you dont care about certain things water sensors, the one in the head is temp, the one on the coolant neck is a switch the triggers the aux fan the vacuum pump, vacuum is on the port currently without the hose, the vacuum pump expels air in to the intake. you dont really need a vacuum pump in the case, personally, I would get a block off cover and use an electric setup, just my opinion though the large bolt bosses on the front are where the huge AC bracket would attach |
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referring to #2, pull out one of those bolts and see if they are banjo bots, if so, you are missing the pipe that you've seen on other cars.
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You're missing some bits and pieces of crank case breather system. See this thread for answers to these two questions: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/vintage-mercedes-forum/408294-oil-bath-air-filter-filling-oil.html If you still have questions let us know. |
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You could possibly remove the rubber block, but you'll still need some arrangement for controlling the position of the lever. In the car the lever is held forward in the "stop" position by the cable. When disconnected from the cable the lever will default to the "run" position. PS - Nice looking shop! :) |
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Here's where I'm at with the questions. Thanks both of you for the help so far! 1. Solved - thanks resago2000 and gmog220d 2. Solved - thanks gmog220d 3. Solved - I think Toyota uses a 1.25 thread pitch while it seems like Mercedes was using 1.5 thread pitch. 4. Solved mostly - thanks resago2000, I need to research more about how vacuum pumps work. 5. Solved - thanks gmog220d 6. Solved - thanks resago2000 7. unsolved 8. unsolved 9. Solved - thanks resago2000 10. unsolved, i suspect it is bent 11. Solved - thanks resago2000, I think some of the stuff may be able to be removed but I will do more research. |
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Ok so is this labelling correct then? Attachment 163105 I'm having a hard time imagining the operation of the cable, you say that the cable holds it forward to the stop position by default? So you must pull the cable in the car to start the car? So the car starts with a cable and not with a key? Does the "start" position on the pump modify fuel delivery at all during startup? |
with the fuel shutoff, anything other than stop is run.
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10. you dont need it. you can remove it and the rod running along the top of the valve cover if you want
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