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Old 12-02-2021, 09:30 PM
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Thank you very much. Our 1980 euro delivery rhd 300TD has had similar problems for years. Motor mounts, dampers, injectors and exhaust hangers have all been replaced and we are now just down to a rough idle, following the motor mount replacement. The delivery valves will be next. We did find one loose injector, not seated properly on the crush washer which was missed by a local diesel mechanic.
I hope it helps solve your rough idle. I’m pretty sure euro cars have an M pump with different delivery valves and washers than I linked above. You may already know that, just mentioning it in case.

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Old 01-01-2022, 02:40 AM
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I solved the problem. I replaced the delivery valves, springs, and crush washers today and now it runs like a sewing machine. I'm so relived.

Here's the parts in case any one else if having this problem:
Springs
Delivery valves
Crush washers

They're pretty easy to change and only require you to take off the hard lines. The parts above are for an OM617.95X Turbo engine.

I hope my struggle helps someone else out.

Man, thank you so much. Over the last 8 months, I have gone through the same list of actions to try to fix my idle and clattering problems. I actually replaced my DVs with pre-owned ones that I thought were good. I assumed DVs were not available anymore so I thought this was the best I could do. They actually looked fine.



I ordered the DVs and Springs from the links above and my problem appears to be solved. By the way, there are two versions of DVs for the OM617, the ones I received were the updated version. The site is in England, so it took a couple of weeks to arrive.


Thank you again for the links. I had tried everything! Happy New Year!
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Old 01-02-2022, 11:46 PM
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Post a new video of it running smooth

Let us hear the difference.
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Old 01-07-2022, 10:51 AM
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Updating this thread since I thought my problem was solved when I replaced the delivery valves, but unfortunately the shaking idle still remains

Since my last post, I've put in a rebuilt injection pump from Yankee Diesel and injectors from greazzer on this forum, which also hasn't solved the problem.

Here's an updated video showing very clearly the rough idle https://youtu.be/4inl01uWoEw

Check post #1 for a list of what I've tried so far.

Please help me solve this mystery!
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Old 01-07-2022, 02:22 PM
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Appears to be injection pump rack oscillations, to test push down slowly on stop lever
if engine smooths that"s it.
What to try: make sure linkages are not holding pump off of rest position.
Rack damper not strong enough, grind locking nut to half width, make sure
does not keep pump from returning to rest.
Problem is in pump,not the first one,that"s why Mbz Came up with the damper!
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Old 01-07-2022, 02:40 PM
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The rack damper did not work on all pumps, and if you received a rebuilt that it did not
work on Guess What! YA you got it, jumpy idle,not not a condition rebuilder can test.
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Old 01-07-2022, 07:57 PM
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Appears to be injection pump rack oscillations, to test push down slowly on stop lever
if engine smooths that"s it.
What to try: make sure linkages are not holding pump off of rest position.
Rack damper not strong enough, grind locking nut to half width, make sure
does not keep pump from returning to rest.
Problem is in pump,not the first one,that"s why Mbz Came up with the damper!
Thanks for the suggestions. I have disconnected the linkage to the pump entirely and it still shakes. I'll try a slimmer locking nut tomorrow and update with my findings.

Keep the tips coming! I'll try it all. It's hard to look good for my date in a classic car when it shakes like a paint shaker at every red light
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Old 01-08-2022, 02:58 AM
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Yes, I know about the date thing, my 300sd does not shake, lucky me you would think,
worked on Mbz for many years, have never seen one like mine, ENGINE jumps up and
down. What a ride!
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Old 01-11-2022, 01:40 PM
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Just remembered, there is a valve in the pipe connection between the injection pump
and fuel line to injector, called Relief Orifice, said to stop fuel back pulses from reopening
injector. If defective could cause smoking (fuel injected at wrong time), is it also possible
that engine noise and idle quality could be affected?
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Old 01-14-2022, 10:39 AM
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Just remembered, there is a valve in the pipe connection between the injection pump
and fuel line to injector, called Relief Orifice, said to stop fuel back pulses from reopening
injector. If defective could cause smoking (fuel injected at wrong time), is it also possible
that engine noise and idle quality could be affected?
We call that a delivery valve.
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Old 01-14-2022, 12:04 PM
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So many of these threads appear to be solved by doing something or other to the rack damper.

Wonder why these weren’t included on the om616 pumps…
Feel like I could use one.
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Old 01-14-2022, 12:19 PM
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The delivery valve is under the relief orifice, name given by Mbz.

616 engines did not have the rock and roll problem, came about with the turbo engines,
according to Mercedes.
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Old 01-14-2022, 01:03 PM
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The delivery valve is under the relief orifice, name given by Mbz.
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I’ve taken those pipe fittings off many times. In order, there’s a crush washer, a delivery valve assembly (plunger and barrel) a spring, and the pipe fitting itself.
I’m not sure which part is the “relief orifice.”

Do you have a part number?
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Old 01-14-2022, 01:14 PM
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Above the delivery valve spring inside the pipe fitting, not replaceable that I know of.
Possible with pipe fitting?
Mercedes said that they do sometimes fail.
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Old 01-16-2022, 12:14 PM
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The delivery valve is under the relief orifice, name given by Mbz.

616 engines did not have the rock and roll problem, came about with the turbo engines,
according to Mercedes.
If you look in different sections of the Mercedes service manuals about the same part the translation to English often suffers and depending on where you are in the manual the parts name is different and that name can also be different in the parts lookup.

I worked in a fuel injection shop for 5 years in part rebuilding Fuel Injection Pumps, and I know what the parts are called here in the US and I also have a fair idea what our members call a lot of the parts.

US parts sellers also sometimes have different names for the same part. Rack Damper Pin Equals Governor Idle Pin depending on the seller.

Since the fuel injection pumps in this case are made by Bosch it may be Bosch has entirely different names for their parts compared to the Mercedes names.

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