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Diesel911 03-25-2024 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tyl604 (Post 4310958)
You can make a Bendix spring out of a coat hanger; ask me how I know.

Wire coat hangers are made of some pretty crappy metal these days. I guess better than no spring. In the OPs case he had never seen he springs before.

tyl604 03-25-2024 06:29 PM

Agree. My dad used to use a coathanger for welding. Wonder if they are made of the same thing today.

cornemuse 03-26-2024 11:51 AM

The coathangers with a paper tube across the bottom, (not seen any of those in a while), are/were made of thinner wire. Were made of better iron/steel. will work in a pinch for welding.

The all metal ones are like bed frame metal, the "chorizo" of steel, including snouts & arseholess!

gregp1962 03-27-2024 09:53 PM

The wire springs won't go in. So, I ordered the good kind of springs from Pelican. They should be here Friday. I've been without my 300CD for 5 days now. The wire springs that came with my Duralast calipers don't fit in the calipers.

These are what I have ordered.
https://www.peachparts.com/shopforum...ake-spring.png

gregp1962 03-27-2024 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by qualified-merc (Post 4310844)
You shouldn't move the car an inch without having installed ALL the relevant brake caliper components.

I haven't moved that car because I don't have the correct springs. Others have said that many calipers don't have springs and they do just fine. Are these springs just an optional add on? Or will they not function properly without them? I'm asking about actual function.

Diesel911 03-28-2024 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by gregp1962 (Post 4311203)
I haven't moved that car because I don't have the correct springs. Others have said that many calipers don't have springs and they do just fine. Are these springs just an optional add on? Or will they not function properly without them? I'm asking about actual function.

See the attached pictures. The last picture shows the springs orientations before the pins are inserted.


This has bendix calipers
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mercedes+W123+Brake+Pads+Rear+Replacement/21531

tyl604 03-28-2024 08:30 AM

Those are good pics; I could not find any. If they actually shipped you Bendix calipers that flat retainer will not work (that new retainer that you - are ordering is for ATE and it looks substantially different from the old ones - but maybe will work)

If the supplier actually sent you a Bendix caliper, go back to the springs. If he sent an ATE, use the flat. The ATE calipers used to have ATE in the casting of the caliper but I do not know if the new ones have that.

Thinking you may have been shipped a Bendix as you requested, go back and try to install the springs as shown in the pics and let us know.

It is truly a five minute job.

gregp1962 03-28-2024 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 4311216)
See the attached pictures. The last picture shows the springs orientations before the pins are inserted.


This has bendix calipers
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mercedes+W123+Brake+Pads+Rear+Replacement/21531

Those springs won't fit as shown in the pictures.

tyl604 03-28-2024 02:58 PM

Greg is correct. If you actually have Bendix, the flat cross will not work. Go back to the springs and install as shown in the pics.

gregp1962 03-30-2024 11:42 AM

Well, I got the cross style spring from Pelican. It installed in about 4 minutes. Would have been faster if I wasn't doing it for the first time. Obviously, Autozone sent me ATE style calipers with Bendix style springs. I have requested that they refund me the cost of the springs I got from Pelican. (Yeah, right!!) That was frustrating and it caused me to go a week without my car!

Diesel911 03-30-2024 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gregp1962 (Post 4311260)
Those springs won't fit as shown in the pictures.

Go back to your fist post. All that I posted is trying to answer that. I see from post #25 you gave the wrong information in your original post.

And for some reason I am not having any sympathy or empathy for you going without a car for weekend.

gregp1962 03-30-2024 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 4311517)
Go back to your fist post. All that I posted is trying to answer that. I see from post #25 you gave the wrong information in your original post.

And for some reason I am not having any sympathy or empathy for you going without a car for weekend.

A few people were helpful here. But, it was impossible for them or me to know that Autozone had mixed the wrong parts. Problem resolved now.

JHZR2 03-30-2024 10:03 PM

https://i.imgur.com/joqJ5ZXl.jpeg


https://i.imgur.com/Hdy3NMyl.jpeg

Diesel911 03-30-2024 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gregp1962 (Post 4311611)
A few people were helpful here. But, it was impossible for them or me to know that Autozone had mixed the wrong parts. Problem resolved now.

I found out what I did because I took the time to look up and learn the information. I answered your trigonal question.

Best of luck to you.

gregp1962 04-01-2024 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 4311628)
I found out what I did because I took the time to look up and learn the information. I answered your trigonal question.

Best of luck to you.

Diesel911, You didn't answer any questions. No one could have known that they supplied springs that didn't match the calipers that they sent. The pics posted by JHZR2 helped a lot though. Thanks JHZR2!!


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