Bosch Oil Filters - Made in INDIA !!! - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Gilly · #31 11-12-2002, 08:42 PM

Changed oil today on a 119 engine (99 S500) and the filter in the MB box was marked as follows"
001-184-91-25
made by Kirloskar Mahle Filters India
Then had "Knecht" inside a diamond shape and AF85.
Filter looked real good, quality as I would expect from MB.

Gilly

MVK · #32 11-12-2002, 08:57 PM

Hi guys:
You cant find a better person to talk about Indian stuff than me. i am from India.
Now I agree with some view points on the sloppy workmanship that India might have on some filters but I am using a pepboyz brand filter for my 300D since last 3 years no problems at all. Never a rubture or visible failure.
Sparkplugs made by bosch in India are under the name Mico Bosch and they are nice( I used them in India). They are no different than the ones here.( They had no platinum ones when I was in india about 15 years back)

By the way Mercedes are also made in India in my home-city called Pune( Poona is old name for this city). I drove the new E class there both gas and diesels and nothing different than the new E class here. They use filters made in India. ( so was I told)India has roads full of dirt and oil quality is poor too and if they work well there then they will work much better in USA as condition here are much cleaner and oil is much much better.

Same goes for fuel filter.

The car shown in picture is an old work horse of India . Not best looking but best performing for Indian roads, the new versions are with Isuzu engines but I had a similar one with Gas engine removed and replaced by and old 4 cylinder benz engine. its a 1964 model and still runs after God know how many miles.

The new cars in India are much more better looking and are same versions as US or europe adapted for Indian road and fuel conditions.
My family currently drives a Toyota Qualis Diesel- its like a 4-runner here.
Also have Hyundia Accent much bigger than US version.
Some other are
Mitsubishi Lancer- bigger than USA
Honda Accord- Same a USA
Sonata- bigger than USA
Ford escort- Euro version

I mean they have tons of better looking and performing car. We had a joke in India that if you take an Indian Ambasdor to USA and drive, it will run for ever as the roads, fuels etc are so clean here.LOL
more to follow

MVK

MVK · #33 11-12-2002, 09:14 PM

Try
http://www.mercedes-benz.co.in/

http://www.boschindia.com/rbin_new.htm

http://www.bosch.com/en/archives/theme_11_2001.htm

And by the way Mecedes Benz are also into School Business and are making big money in following school

http://www.ecis.org/mbis/

Pictures of Benz in India

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1442/merc.htm

.

Also for those of you who use brass fittings made in USA like compressor adaptors, and many small brass fittings that says made in USA. Beware MANY OF THOSE MADE IN USA STUFF ARE ACTUALLY MADE IN INDIA AND BLISTeR PACKED IN USA.

If you took an an antiiotic named cephalexin or cefaclor lately for your sinus or throat infection 90% chances are that you got an Indian stuff in you. Even Eli Lilly outsources their Brand name Ceclor to Ranbaxy India limited and it is made in New Delhi. india.

So in nut shell even though there is a big room for improvement in quality of many merchandize, just seeing that its made in India means its bad quality is just not true. And yes I am a proud American- East Indian but also very critical of many things that India still needs to do to come to International forum. And I always tell my friends in India that Quality and timely supply is the key to western markets.

MVK
( By the way I am a pharmacist by profession and a 123 buff by evening. LOL)

Gilly · #34 11-12-2002, 09:39 PM

I once worked on a Rolls-Royce that was originally owned by the Maharini of Baroda, India. Worked on it off and on for 3 or 4 years actually.
I'll stop looking for MB parts made in India now.

Gilly

Ken300D · #35 11-13-2002, 04:18 AM

I enjoyed looking through the IndiaCars link to see what is available in India. I chose the Ambassador picture to post because it looked to have the longest history in the country. Apparently it is built on a British design (Morris Oxford) as told here:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1442/amby.htm

Here is a link (dated in 1999) that describes what Hindustan is going though as a company:
http://www.xent.com/feb99/0248.html

Labor practices are a bit different it seems.

I like the classic looks of the car and have read that they are being sold in the UK for nostalgia and to have something unusual.

There's nothing in particular about India relative to any other country that disturbs me in terms of oil filter origin. It's just that I want a German OE part, made in Germany, for the German car.

I feel the odds are with me that way to get a quality filter, and the cost is only a few dollars more. Same thing with other parts that are on the car - such as injectors, head gaskets, brake pads, etc. When I have the chance, I want to select a German OE part.

Typically you can do that by selecting what has traditionally been a German brand. Seems you have to be more careful these days in selection - - - -

If someone comes along anywhere and gets the reputation for making better parts for a German car than a German company, I'm there. But I need consistency in quality and independent test results for proof - as in Consumer Reports. As Larry mentioned, oil filters are relatively simple and should be a great place to start. Personally, I am somewhat price sensitive but not to the extent of putting a filter made of newspaper (joking) in the car - so I want known quality.

Ken300D

MVK · #36 11-13-2002, 01:48 PM

Hey Gilly:
Kirloskar is a good Indian company. Originally makers of oil and diesel engines for farm to ship use.
Also makes electric motors from tiny to huge.
Currently makes cars for Toyota in India.

A very old Indian company with good quality stuff. Still run by family members at high positions though public limited company.

Just my 2 cents.

MVK

MVK · #37 11-13-2002, 01:54 PM

Hi guys:
This is what i found from my cus in India.
As more and more older diesels are going out of production in western world, to make its parts in Europe are not a good business sense for a Euro company.
Many of the oudated but proven engines are currently used in Indian cars and hence the parts are easily available in India. Also labor being so cheap its just good economics for them to get them from India.

Perhaps some of the new Euro cars in few years from now will have Steel chasis made in India, glass from S. Africa, Suspension from various counries assembled in Belgium, etc. etc.

In other words it would be a truly international car. Its just a matter of time.
So hang on to your Good Old German Benz.
MVK

MVK · #38 11-13-2002, 01:59 PM

"I once worked on a Rolls-Royce that was originally owned by the Maharini of Baroda, India. Worked on it off and on for 3 or 4 years actually.
I'll stop looking for MB parts made in India now.

Gilly"

Hi Gilly:
There is a famous story for some of the RR the Queen or Maharani of Baroda owned. She did not like any of the colors that RR of offering but had a favorite color that she could not describe to them. She had her nail polish of that color( Color she liked). She sent that nail polish to RR in London and had a RR with exactly the same color shipped back to her.

MVK

Gil · #39 11-13-2002, 05:28 PM

It seems no matter where I find a filter for a 300CD (300D, whatever... same thing), it's always made in India. They aren't really cheaper, but look to be of slipshod manufacture and questionable quality.

I've got nothing against India per se, but much of the Indian manufactured goods I've seen have not been so hot.

When it comes to a cheap set of utensils for a school cafeteria, well, who cares. I absolutely refuse to buy any of the Indian crap passing itself off as hand tools, however. Absolute junk.

What can be said about the oil filters from India, then? Anyone have acces to some hard comparison tests? Am I wrong in thinking that just because they look crappy and cheap that they are no good?

Gil

PS: The South African fuel filters for the same car are very well made... at least for now.

PPS: MVK, I heard the same story (when I worked at a car dealership many years back) about the wealthy woman who wanted a custom color painted on her new car (she sent a pearl to the factory for them to match), only it was a Porsche Cabriolet, not a Rolls. Sounds like this is the birth of another urban legend.

Gilly · #40 11-14-2002, 01:20 AM

The Rolls, a Phantom II, was white body with green fenders. Are these colors in the flag of India? Or where they back then (30's-40's)?
I do know that for a farly high fee, Porsche will paint your new car any ol' color you want, they will match to anything. I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Rolls or Bentley would do the same. I'm sure for a fee MB could be coerced (sp?) into doing this as well, as well as the even more exotic companies.

Gilly

MVK · #41 11-14-2002, 07:28 AM

Gilly:
The flag of India was designed after freedom from British in 1947. So I guess its just a coincidence. Well all those big companies did a lot of exceptional customization from paint to upholstery for many of Indias royalties( and there were many small dynasties in India). Perhaps they were a very large clientel for them.

MVK

#42 11-14-2002, 08:46 AM

The previous remark about junk hand tools made me laugh. My neighbor was showing me his brand new vice he bought at a flea market for $20.00. It would have been a $200.00 tool easy if made in th USA. The first time he clamped a something in it one jaw snapped off. Not only that the jaw in question was 70% or more bondo that had been painted to match and hide a very bad casting.

rickg · #43 11-14-2002, 10:57 AM

This thread is like trying follow a drunk donkey on a bad path!

:p

Oldwolf · #44 05-04-2009, 11:38 PM

This is a very old thread but I thought I would restart it .

I installed a Purolator filter in my OM602 yesterday and noticed it was made in India too. The Mann filter I removed was stamped Made in Austria.

I've been very happy with Purolator spin on filters in my gassers, so I figured for my first ever change in my 93 300D I would use a Purolator. Maybe next time I will order a Mann.

Diesel911 · #45 05-05-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldwolf

This is a very old thread but I thought I would restart it .

I installed a Purolator filter in my OM602 yesterday and noticed it was made in India too. The Mann filter I removed was stamped Made in Austria.

I've been very happy with Purolator spin on filters in my gassers, so I figured for my first every change in my 93 300D I would use a Purolator. Maybe next time I will order a Mann.

I did not know there was a specific thread concerning Indian made filters.
This is a former post concerning an Indian made Purolator L43056 for 617 type Engines bought for $6 at Pep Boys.
The bypass section was filled with the now well know Cotton Gin material but what surprised me is that the Central Tube in the bypass section of the filter just sits loose in the upper and lower recesses of the filter. The only other problem is that the wire handle is much thinner than other makes. Please see the post for some pics.
I do not fault India for the design but the Purolator company.
The post is #278
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/104768-oil-filters-one-buy-post2119904.html?highlight=purolator#post2119904
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