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Old 02-03-2003, 03:44 PM
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Question Vibration and uncomfortable ride

To be honest, this isn't anything new. What I'm getting is a vibration, felt through the steering wheel and throttle pedal (actually, pronany everything that's solid on the ar if I went and touched it). Also, at least on the freeway, the ride feels uncomfortable for what I would expect from a Benz; I can feel every bump and whatnot. My mom's Pontiac rides better. I had been blaming this on the bad upper control arm bushings, but replacing them doesn't seem to have made much of a difference. The tires were balanced recently, and I think I need an alignment.

I'm thinking that either the alignment issues that I probably have are causing it, or that I may have bad shocks (I was almost certain the shocks were bad until I did the "push test" on another vehicle that supposedly has almost new shocks and it reacted the same way). Anything else I can check? This isn't critical; just an annoyance...

Thanks in advance!

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Old 02-03-2003, 04:28 PM
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Warden,

What kind of vibration and does it just occur when you hit bumps or does it cycle up and down with speed/rpms.

I'll tell you, I don't think the bump test works with Bilsteins/MB OEM's. You just have to check for leaks. I replaced my OEM shocks with Bilstein's about a year ago and the ride improved noticably, but to be honest, I think the original shocks were still OK. However, I did not have a before or after vibration of any sort.

Give us some more info on the vibration and I'll try to help you out.

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Old 02-03-2003, 04:57 PM
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Alignment or shocks do not cause vibrations. Bad shocks can allow them to transmit more readily though.

The source of vibration has to be a rotating part. Things like suspension bushings, shocks, mounts and such can only transmit vibration.

When they balanced the tires, did they do a dynamic balance using weights on both inboard AND outboard lips of the wheel. If they used weights ONLY on the inboard lip, the wheels will usually still vibrate.

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Old 02-03-2003, 08:39 PM
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As far as I can tell, it's constant with speed, and only seems to be noticeable at higher speeds. I don't think it's related to engine speed as much as vehicle speed. I dunno; I'm having difficulty describing this as it's something that I typically don't pay attention to (I'm used to trucks that ride rough in all situations)...it gets tiring after being on the road a while (especially as this car spends most of its time on the freeway), and I have trouble believing that this is how the car's supposed to be, given that my mom's '94 Pontiac Grand Prix (roughly the same size, but a different car altogether) is much smoother on the highway. It's like I can feel every minor bump and/or crack in the road...like every contour of the road is transmitted to the cab.

Larry, the tires were given the "standard" spin test and weights are on both sides. I don't think the guy double-checked the balance after putting the first weights on the tires, though. In all honesty, I wouldn't be that surprised if this did have something to do with it, or even the tires themselves (BFG's that came with the car; a tire that I have no intention of buying myself)

Again, I dunno if I'm even describing it properly...this is quite frusturating
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Old 02-04-2003, 08:28 AM
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Warden,

Probably well over 90% of tire vibration problems can be corrected by a dynamic balance with weights on both planes. In your case it sounds like you need the tires put on a Hunter GSP9700. You can find where they are located in your area by going to: www.gsp9700.com

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