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Old 10-22-2008, 02:56 PM
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I accidentally broke the prechamber extractor I borrowed from another member. I bought him another, but was able to salvage something out of the deal for myself.

It snapped off about 1/4" above where the threads for the prechamber start, so what I did is ground that 1/4" above the threads to about a 45* angle and took a rod coupler with the same inside threads as the inside of the tool, and ground the outside of one end of it at a 45* angle too. Then I threaded the two pieces onto a rod with the two angle-ground ends facing each other.

Then I threaded one of my old damaged prechambers onto the threads to protect them. Next I fired up my wire feed welder and filled in the areas where I had ground the two pieces at 45* with good solid weld. So I ended up with a piece about 2 to 2-1/4 inches long with prechamber threads on one end, a 3/4" hex on the other end, and a fully threaded hole its entire length.

With a 5" fully threaded grade 5 bolt, a couple of washers, and my 27mm deep socket (injector socket) I now have a tool that will pull the prechambers up until they are flush with the top of the retaining ring threads in the head. Once they have moved that far (about 3/16") then pulling them the rest of the way with the slide hammer is a cinch every time.

Now I just have to fab the retaining ring removal tool (like MBwerer describes) and get a cheapo slide hammer from Harbor Freight and I'm all set...

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Old 10-22-2008, 03:22 PM
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get a 5lb hammer or bigger.

You could have just gone to a bike store and gotten a Shimano crank puller.

I have the long ring tool for rent, I was never able to remove a single ring with any of the 4 sockets I modified. I do not see how anyone can apply 70ftlb of force on that soft brass....
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Old 10-22-2008, 05:21 PM
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get a 5lb hammer or bigger.
Absolutely, HOWEVER, that isn't always enough. The Snap-on slide hammer I was using must be close to 5 pounds (it's a bigger chunk of steel than my 3.5 lb sledge) and it wouldn't even BUDGE two of the prechambers in my motor.

Once I used my improvised puller to pull them up flush with the surface of the head they popped right out no problem. So, if I'm using it to get them starte coming out, I think I can get away with a much smaller slide hammer...

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You could have just gone to a bike store and gotten a Shimano crank puller.
Ummm, maybe you missed the part about I broke a borrowed tool? When I break something that belongs to someone else I replace it with one just like it. Then I just used the broken piece and a rod coupler to make my own - took all of 10 minutes and $2 rod coupler.

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I have the long ring tool for rent, I was never able to remove a single ring with any of the 4 sockets I modified. I do not see how anyone can apply 70ftlb of force on that soft brass....
I think the trick is that you have to put something with just a slightly smaller OD than the ID of the inner threads of the retaining ring inside of the modified socket - to keep it centered and so the tangs stay in the slots of the retaining ring. At least that's what I plan on doing....
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Old 08-18-2009, 03:49 PM
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Sure would be efficient-helpful to see the homemade tool and its individual pieces-like the nissan cv joint part!
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Old 08-18-2009, 04:33 PM
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Sure would be efficient-helpful to see the homemade tool and its individual pieces-like the nissan cv joint part!
Look here for pictures.

Home Made Special Tools, This is where members can share how they made special tools
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Old 08-18-2009, 04:46 PM
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I accidentally broke the prechamber extractor I borrowed from another member. I bought him another, but was able to salvage something out of the deal for myself.

It snapped off about 1/4" above where the threads for the prechamber start, so what I did is ground that 1/4" above the threads to about a 45* angle and took a rod coupler with the same inside threads as the inside of the tool, and ground the outside of one end of it at a 45* angle too. Then I threaded the two pieces onto a rod with the two angle-ground ends facing each other.

Then I threaded one of my old damaged prechambers onto the threads to protect them. Next I fired up my wire feed welder and filled in the areas where I had ground the two pieces at 45* with good solid weld. So I ended up with a piece about 2 to 2-1/4 inches long with prechamber threads on one end, a 3/4" hex on the other end, and a fully threaded hole its entire length.

With a 5" fully threaded grade 5 bolt, a couple of washers, and my 27mm deep socket (injector socket) I now have a tool that will pull the prechambers up until they are flush with the top of the retaining ring threads in the head. Once they have moved that far (about 3/16") then pulling them the rest of the way with the slide hammer is a cinch every time.

Now I just have to fab the retaining ring removal tool (like MBwerer describes) and get a cheapo slide hammer from Harbor Freight and I'm all set...

Sounds like you re-invented the tool at the site below. This is they one they show on the FSM CD manual for an 84 123. So far I have never seen a new or used one for sale anywhere.
http://www.startekinfo.de/etools/content/tool.jsp?toolno=615%20589%2000%2033%2000
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Old 08-18-2009, 07:45 PM
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I have a pre-chamber puller and collar tool set that were custom made by a tool maker. I don't recall the name of the guy who made them but they are very high quality tools. The only thing missing from them is a Snap-On or some other high quality name on them. The cost seemed reasonable for the quality. I have used them and it was very easy.
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Old 08-19-2009, 01:25 AM
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I have a pre-chamber puller and collar tool set that were custom made by a tool maker. I don't recall the name of the guy who made them but they are very high quality tools. The only thing missing from them is a Snap-On or some other high quality name on them. The cost seemed reasonable for the quality. I have used them and it was very easy.
Another plus is that if you had to go to the Junk Yard a pull some Pre-chambers you can leave your 5 pound Slide Hammer in the trunk and bring back 5 pounds more of parts.

I bought a used Pre-chamber ring removal tool on eBay that is different from the new ones sold there. Made by Wilbar Tools. See pic.
It has seen some use and appears to have been turned witha Pipe wrench.
It also looks like the Tabs could be a little longer.
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Old 08-19-2009, 11:04 AM
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This is the tool that I bought.
For Sale: New prechamber removal tools
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Old 08-20-2009, 01:00 AM
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This is the tool that I bought.
For Sale: New prechamber removal tools
When you have time how about posting a pic of the one you have.
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Old 08-20-2009, 10:42 AM
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These are photos of the tools that I have that were taken by someone else.


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