Couldn't have said it better myself.

Redfox, And it would have been just as misleading as your posts concerning Duracool compared to R-12 .

Leathermang

I had forgotten how difficult it can be to get a car to cool with R-12 until yesterday a Duracool customer brought me his mother's car along with the R-12 for me to put it in. He still belives R-12 is better than Duracool, but he runs Duracool in his classic 73 Olds [ it is a beautiful car] now I know he does it because of the price. I charged up his car again last week, it lost about 1 can since last summer. When he took it home he called me back to tell me how good it cooled. Back to his mother's car, it is a 79 Mercury with 40,000 actual miles on it. When I hooked up the low side the pressure seemed right and it confused me because it wasn't cooling at all. 79 Mercury's have an unusual high side fitting [ 1/8 flare] I finally found the adapter after digging through a box of old fittings and hooked it up. The high side only had 125 psi I added 1 can and brought the pressure up and it finaaly started cooling. That was the first time I had used R-12 in many years. Now I remember how difficult it was to get cars to cool with R-12. So now I can say again that you are full of it when you say R-12 is a better refrigerant. Your ignorance is showing every time you open your mouth.

whoa there nellie!
 

ok guys, that's it, if you cannot play well together and have a nice "discussion" this thread will be history. nobody needs to say what anybody is full of , even if that something is only 'it'.

i think the whole point is to have an open mind and at least listen to other people's experiences even if you do not agree with them, perhaps just perhaps there might be a small smidgen to learn from here and there.
people can make their points well known and strongly without superfluous rhetoric.

i have said my .02

have a great day to everyone:)

84300DT

You are absolutely right and I apologize. After 8 years of dealing with this issue you would think I would have learned something by now. Time will prove me right or wrong. If I'm wrong I hope I'm man enough to admit it.

Eh - we're comparing a low-charge R-12 system with a properly charged Duracool system... and proclaiming Duracool the winner? Alllllll-righty, then. :rolleyes:

gsxr

What you don't understand is that quite often cars will begin cooling with only 1 can of Duracool in the system. You have to keep adding until you get the vent temp above freezing. Until you've tried it you will never know.

I don't understand. You're high side pressure came up and it started cooling. So what makes this different than any other refrigerant that one might use?

With any refrigerant, if the high side pressure is low, you add refrigerant, the pressure comes up and it starts cooling.

I don't understand the proof of differentiation.

Even if it WERE superior, the fact remains that it is illegal in 18 states including the one where I live.

Have a great day,

Redfox, you SELL Duracool, Larry and I have nothing to sell except the satisfaction of seeing machines work properly and people satisfied in the long run... how likely is it you will be an objective judge of the facts ?
Your history of clearly evasive, slick, and misleading representations concerning the comparisions between Duracool and R-12 need to be kept highlighted each time a new post contains the word Duracool. Many people have not read all five pages of this thread... and would miss that that if not brought up regularly.

I am a Dometic Dealer, (the most common frigde in RV's) but not a technition. I became a dealer so I could sell the newer portable RV style fridges that look just like your regular colman ice cooler but is significantly cheaper than the competition (norcold, ARB, etc.)

Anyway I talked alot to their techs and I sware they said they use Amonia still. The LP gas is used to opperate a "heater" that causes the amonia to do the liquid to gas conversion. The 12v and 110v side do the same thing. They are just heating elements.

ahhhhh..... it's nearly impossible to remove the human emotion element from a conversation. Dont worry to much about it..

Though at the same time calling it out does remind some folk to back pedal some and refocus on facts and figures etc. So for that I say THANKS.

Learning alot... I got AC that blows little cold air and was just looking into what to do (I thought R12 was illegal) I assume my car (82 Datsun Maxima Diesel) would use R12

I'm a lot like you Larry. I truely like to follow laws more exact than others consider. I take great pride in this.

Buttttttt..... Larry unfortunately its not that simple and sometimes there is just cause for ingoring laws and regulations, just like there is sometimes just cause to rally publicly against them.

For example... this case of Dupont and how it is very possible they used influance of $$$ and miss quoted science to create unneccissary regulations and unjust laws all to bolster their bottom line. In situations like this as "thinking" humans instead of blindly following ones, we will choose to ignore regulations and laws created unjustly. At other times we will choose to do more drastic things like rally publicly or take up arms.

Gawd..... life is complicated aint it.

Amazing.. we go from Freon to the taking of paths blindly or by thinking all in one long thread. Don't tya love it!!! I do!
:D

R12 boxing match against R12A
 

"LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.........IN THIS CORNER WE HAVEEEEE... IN THE RED TRUNKS.... :D RED.....whom IMHO is someone that "truly believes" in his product more so than he is a "snake oil salesman".

AND IN THIS CORNER WE HAVE... In THE WHITE TRUNKS couple of guys, one who firmly believes in his favorite product cause god forbid.... daddy taught him that way.

AND THE WINNER OFFFFFFFFFF THE MATCH ISSSSSSSSSSS......

THE REST OF US reading all this .... GREAT STUFF !!!!:D :P

Now......... on the philosophical side of all this.... or maybe its the psychological analysis side?? hmmmm

Any GOOD (plant any of the below words here) will support something they "truly believe in" by debating with the calling for facts orrrrrrr.... by avoiding the discussion of them. They are BOTH valid tools and neither is the tool of wrongdoing!!

Father,
Mother,
SALESMAN,
Son
Daughter
ENTHUSIAST
Neighbor
Dog
Cat
Chipmunk
MECHANIC
:D
:D
:D

Now one word that DOES NOT FIT in the above list is "CROOKED SALESMAN" sometimes refered to the "used car salesman" whom will sell snake oil or his mother.... NOT cause he beleaves in his product .. but because it improves the bottom line only. Now what makes it hard issss..... this person will use the same tactics as the one's who "truly believe"

Damn... here we go..... back to life is complicated... :D

coach, it looks like from your creative replies, that you started reading this thread at the beginning, which is something everyone should do more often!

bob in ct

Yep yep.... but it twas a hard earned lesson hehehe....

Also..... I am a moderator of a small forum in a much HUGER bulletin board than this one.

I dont spell worth a crap in that forum either. :d :p